Should we become gender free?

It’s no secret that stereotypes created by genders (women can only be subservient, men can only be workers) are untrue, because people are people, not genders. So why do we still label people as “men/women”? All labels (including gender labels) only helps to enhance stereotypes and unreasonably make people appear different. Here’s a very important video on racial equality that explains the negative impacts of labelling:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q0qD2K2RWkc

In conclusion, I believe it’s time to stop labelling ourselves as men/women and start calling ourselves people because as people we are similar and meant to be equals.
Any thoughts?

No thanks. I’ll stick with just men and women.

Even if you somehow didn't notice when younger, once you become a teenager you definitely notice men and women differently.

Don't see why not. Gender norms get eroded every generation and are gradually becoming a thing of the past.

Yeah, and it’s strange because it’s unnecessary to see people as lesser or different when we’re all actually very similar.

Oh alright, why do you want to just stick with men and women? it’s perfectly natural for change to seem weird or even threatening, but this is for the better, people will be treated like equals.

Oh alright, why do you want to just stick with men and women? it’s perfectly natural for change to seem weird or even threatening, but this is for the better, people will be treated like equals.

This is pure utopian idealism, which invariably ends badly when attempting to implement it in reality. Now that doesn't mean that on a social and societal level we shouldn't strive to treat the sexes fairly and ensure that both receive as much access to sustenance and fulfilment from life as is humanly possible. That's a fine and noble goal, but to deny a basic fact of nature that there are inherent biological differences both physical and psychological between males and females, and to just pretend that we're all exactly the same is absurd and I assure you will cause far more problems than it solves.

I agree with you, there are definitely many biological differences between males and females. Maybe, these biological differences will only be referred to in medical terminology rather than constantly in society. Here I’m talking about abolishing gender, which is a social construct, not sex which is just biological and doesn’t determine gender.

It’s no secret that stereotypes created by genders (women can only be subservient, men can only be workers) are untrue, because people are people, not genders. So why do we still label people as “men/women”? All labels (including gender labels) only helps to enhance stereotypes and unreasonably make people appear different. Here’s a very important video on racial equality that explains the negative impacts of labelling:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q0qD2K2RWkc

In conclusion, I believe it’s time to stop labelling ourselves as men/women and start calling ourselves people because as people we are similar and meant to be equals.
Any thoughts?

It’s no secret that stereotypes created by genders (women can only be subservient, men can only be workers) are untrue, because people are people, not genders. So why do we still label people as “men/women”? All labels (including gender labels) only helps to enhance stereotypes and unreasonably make people appear different. Here’s a very important video on racial equality that explains the negative impacts of labelling:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q0qD2K2RWkc

In conclusion, I believe it’s time to stop labelling ourselves as men/women and start calling ourselves people because as people we are similar and meant to be equals.
Any thoughts?

It’s no secret that stereotypes created by genders (women can only be subservient, men can only be workers) are untrue, because people are people, not genders. So why do we still label people as “men/women”? All labels (including gender labels) only helps to enhance stereotypes and unreasonably make people appear different. Here’s a very important video on racial equality that explains the negative impacts of labelling:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q0qD2K2RWkc

In conclusion, I believe it’s time to stop labelling ourselves as men/women and start calling ourselves people because as people we are similar and meant to be equals.
Any thoughts?

I disagree and agree with your post. I disagree on that labels should not be used on basis that they are an intricant part of society as well as self identification. here is why:

1. what are we to identify people when they commit a crime? as much as it may suck, man or woman help decrease the potential scope of suspects by 50 percent (give or take). appearance decreases it further.

2. there are health issues more related to a woman than a man. just as africans are more likily to develop blood diseases or europeans are more likily to develop vitamjn d deficiency.

3. all current movements from black lives matter to lgbq , to nationalist movements rely on self identificatjon. even the phrase "to be or not to be" emphases on what is. identification is part of a persons "what is".

although I may disagree with various groups or ideologies, there seems to be a clear desire to be identified as something. even if that something is not based on - Ill just stop there. ..

4. the inequality and stereotypes and negative associations to a label can be stopped by changing our mindset instead of labels. we can simply stop viewing women as subservient. we can accept men to be stay at home dads without considering them as unmanly.

which comes to where I agree with you. these stereotypes should stop.

unfortunately many of these stereotypes revolve around sex (the action) and how society views it. they are also connected with years of ideologies. this makes change hard and shows us something about labels. humans are natural at it. we "need"it. we label everything. however not everything has a negative narration associated with it. this is in part due to our need and our function.

in regards to race, our concepts are backwards because there is only the human race as you said. our skin tone gives a color as appearance which is under the skin. social associations to this are based on society and therefore changable.

men and women however serve a biological purpose that influences society, and should not be society influencing the biological label. they serve a purpose in a family unit and the family's stability influences community, and then society itself. communities with high crime and other issues usually see less functioning families.

societal function also relies on how citizens interact with each other. laws help in this area but cover limited aspects.

family unit and citizens interaction relate to relationships and how we treat each other. hard to treat anyone with dignity when dignity is already lost due to sterotypes.

sometimes stereotypes are become worse when labels change instead of better. this is how I see it with men/women.

so yeah. agree and disagree.

When people say "man/woman", they're usually talking about a person's biological sex, not some sort of gender stereotype. It's exactly the same as referring to cattle as "cow/bull" or chickens as "hen/cockerel". It's just an easy way to say "a male/female member of this species" - nothing to do with subservience or the fact that someone works. I don't think any of us refer to our female co-workers as "men".

The biological sex of others cannot be some sort of taboo that we must not refer to; firstly because most of the time it's glaringly obvious which sex someone belongs to just by one look at them, and secondly because a person's sex is relevant and makes a difference to others in so many contexts; healthcare, romance, sport, parenthood to name a few. Even if you want equality between the sexes, you need to be able to refer to people's biological sex in order to identify those inequalities in the first place; try tackling the issues of rape or domestic violence for example, without distinguishing between people on the basis of sex. So I think we need to keep the vocabulary that helps us to make these distinctions.



You've said that you're in favour of abolishing the societal construct of gender though, as opposed to biological sex. But it's not clear what you mean by that.

If you're talking about gender norms and stereotypes, I don't see how that's possible. The fact of the matter is that males and females are not just physically different, but tend to exhibit different behaviours and make different choices in the same circumstances. This is true of any species, not just humans. Wave a red flag at a cow and probably nothing will happen; do the same to a bull and you'd better be prepared to run for your life. These trends are often so polarised that obviously people are going to notice that they exist, no matter how much you might not want them to. So surely it just makes more sense to recognise that people don't conform to gender norms 100% of the time and are under no obligation to (which I think most of us already do)?

If instead you mean people don't need to define themselves with a gender label and description (as distinct from their biological sex), I'd agree. But I already think that most people don't do this. When I introduce myself to someone, all that happens is that they can see I'm biologically male. I don't have specific terminology I use to tell them "look at all these masculine norms and stereotypes I fit!". I just behave however I want to, and people can infer from that whatever they like. It's quite a minority of people who feel the need to come up with the vocabulary to classify themselves into a "gender", and indeed to specify whether people are "cisgender" or "transgender". But I agree that they aren't really necessary, and are already largely meaningless and irrelevant to other people.

I fully agree there are physical differences between males/females maybe these differences will only be referred to in a medical sense where they absolutely have to be, in this sense when a doctor says a person is male, it would be like saying the person has O- type blood, so not enhancing any labels is what I mean.

I understand when you see a person you can recognise wherever they are male/female, but have you ever noticed that kids don’t? This is because kids aren’t taught to label people as different yet. Also I could notice that one person has black hair and another has blond, but do i need to keep bringing this up. Do we need to label blond people as something different from black haired people because there’s an obvious difference, nah it seems a little overboard.

As for sports, physical anatomy ect. Of course to keep things fair we may need to address biological differences but maybe say person with less testosterone/ person with more sure it’s a little long winded, but it’s more inclusive and doesn’t label. Or, perhaps we could have mixed sex teams?

Although, many people do conform to societal norms and stereotypes. Can you see how we are not born knowing these norms or stereotypes, they are taught to us. We didn’t come out saying “hello world, instinctually i only like blue and firetrucks, also, I don't have any emotions, now i’m off to go do a pub craw cause i cant walk yet, get it? Personally, I think it’s easier to get rid of these societal norms and stereotypes if we didn’t label people as different. For example let’s remove the labels:
1. Boys are always disruptive and are lacking in respect.
Some children are disruptive and lack respect.
2. Girls are always fighting over petty things.
Some children fight over petty things, it’s because they’re children.

See, it’s harder to stereotype people when you no labels to do it with.