Are You Up For A Chip Implant?

@PilgrimOfTruth @Lucifer323

The real point here is that these liberals aren't against these things because the people they support are in power.

The people I support are in power? That's hilarious.

I can't speak for every other liberal in this thread, but I don't support microchipping.

What I have done is point out the irrational fear surrounding microchipping. Everything that a microchip can do can already be done using existing systems. If microchips were a gateway to social credit systems, then so are mobile phones, online bank accounts, etc.

I didn't call you out directly, but basically yeah.



Anarchists and Socialists are the useful idiots of the neoliberal Regime. Sure you may not like people like Biden etc but when push comes to shove you'll still vote for Macron or Clinton over a Zemmour or Trump.

But that's not even such an issue it's that The system does not view things like anarcho communism as a threat. What it views as a threat is right wing "extremism" . This is why Nick Fuentes is on a no fly list for terrorists (despite not being charged with a crime).

Which is why groups like Antifa are tools if the state as they attack the real political dissidents so the state doesn't have to get it's hands dirty.

As I've said before you are one of a dying breed of genuinely sincere and consistent liberals.

Whist in some ways this is a good thing I think in some ways you are ... Wilfully naive about how most people actually operate.

Crazy how not a single one of the parties I have begrudgingly voted for has won a major election in my entire adult life and yet it's the people I 'support' that are in power. Bizarre ****.

I mean, are there any liberals in this thread who support microchipping? 🤔 From memory, nobody seems to be that eager to get one and I can't imagine that liberals beyond this forum would be eager also. Microchipping has always had a negative connotation, those who get them tend to be technophiles.

Sure but you as a liberal wouldn't be against people getting one nor is it really something you think the government should get involved with. So you are in a sense allowing it to happen.

Yeah most people won't get one. Now. But it'll catch on. I think when you look at the ubiquity of contactless card payments or use of mobile phones people will go with what is most convenient.

I didn't say people like you supported the regime. I said people on the left like you are "useful idiots" for the regime. Yeah I'm sure you vote for the Green Party or Tusc or something. And I'm sure the regime is quaking in fear

You are probably more useful to the regime by amplifying pro status quo messaging (eg "human rights" , "democracy" "anti right wing views") than you are by merely voting.

Sorry, I'm a bit confused now since I don't see what this has to do with me specifically. Are you, or other conservatives, against people using mobile phones, contactless card payments, online banking and the internet? These already do what a microchip can do, yet I've seen no push back in this thread about any of them.

So... I'm not exactly sure why you're blaming me and other liberals as people who aren't against microchips (which itself is incorrect) while yourself and other conservatives support technology which can do exactly the same thing.

Yeah I think you've missed the point im making.

No I'm not inherently against those things.

I'm not blaming you for anything. I'm simply stating that things like microchips will probably become widespread under liberalism because theres no real barrier to stop that if it becomes increasingly convenient. Chill

You literally said "the people they support are in power". I'm not sure how else I'm supposed to interpret that statement.

And I don't need to vote for anyone so fringe as the Greens or Tusc for what I said to be true. The first election I could vote in was 2010. Things have been pretty one-sided here ever since.

And surely you have the self-awareness to realise that much of what you're saying could be thrown right back over to your side of the fence.

The - and I hate using this word - establishment are profiting hugely from leveraging the culture war you imagine yourselves being on the front-lines of.

'They' will always try to exploit whatever happens to be popular at the time

- they have very few real ideological convictions themselves beyond those that increase their wealth and status.

You did say, "The real point here is that these liberals aren't against these things because the people they support are in power.". I'm not sure why you'd highlight liberals here specifically, since under conservatism things like microchips would also be widespread. The technology we've discussed exists in both the liberal and conservative world.

I did not say that. I said the people liberals support are in power. You are not a liberal. I clarified my position in regards to people like you as "useful" idiots and explained why.

Ok how does that disprove anything I've said? What do you think "the establishment" is?

It can be. But it doesn't really fit. Conservatives get some degree of support from the establishment to give tax breaks to billionaires and to basically act as harmless gatekeepers. Eg be the party of small government Ben Shapiro types that also pose no threat to the system or people like Boris Johnson. There is no institutional support for immigration controls or social Conservativism- in fact there is widespread hostility.

Really? Then why have they banned, deplatformed etc so many people?they wouldn't even let Kyle Rittenhouse have a go fund me. To some extent you're correct that they do weaponise these culture wars but not for the reasons you are suggesting.

Can you give an example of this? I don't agree with this.

They have more money than they could spend over a million lifetimes. It's about control.

My apologies, "lefties" would probably be more accurate.

As I've explained before, most modern "conservatives" are actually liberals.

Let me clarify what i'm saying.

Lefties (many of whom would describe themselves as liberals) and right wingers would not be against these things so long as they are managed by their "side"

Liberals such as yourself would not be against these things and would allow them to continue .

This is why I generally don't like using the term "establishment" - it's nebulous and poorly defined.

When one member of the establishment boots somebody off their social media platform, another part exploits this event to rile up their base and feed their own narrative.

Are the likes of Murdoch not establishment? Has he not profited from this culture war of yours?

What about Trump? The billionaire property-mogul-***-TV-star who used to rub shoulders with the likes of Epstein and the Clintons, who the alt-right propelled into the most powerful position in the world? Establishment or not?