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Tantalising signs of life (biosignatures) on a distant exoplanet.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-66786611

Take it with a grain of salt but what do you guys think are the consequences of the discovery of alien life for our species as a whole?

I am overall quite pessimistic but I will allow others to pitch in with their ideas first.
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It depends what kind of alien life. I think discovering a few little microbes or something similar somewhere else isn't going to cause much of an issue. It's discovering intelligent alien civilisations that would be catastrophic for many of the Earth's institutions, the most obvious of which being our Earth-centric religions.
Original post by Sorcerer of Old
It depends what kind of alien life. I think discovering a few little microbes or something similar somewhere else isn't going to cause much of an issue. It's discovering intelligent alien civilisations that would be catastrophic for many of the Earth's institutions, the most obvious of which being our Earth-centric religions.


I agree but I believe your scope is limited. Discovering evidence of prior life on our neighbour (Mars) indicates that something is wrong, geopolitical stability is not written into the fate of civilisations.
Original post by quagmiretoilet
I agree but I believe your scope is limited. Discovering evidence of prior life on our neighbour (Mars) indicates that something is wrong, geopolitical stability is not written into the fate of civilisations.

Not sure I'm understanding your point. Of course civilisations can and have fallen apart many times throughout history unrelated to alien life, but I believe that conclusively observing and proving beyond all doubt that another intelligent alien civilisation with presumably completely different religious, spiritual and cultural beliefs is out there would have cataclysmic effects for our own sense of identity, politics, religion and so on.
Original post by Sorcerer of Old
Not sure I'm understanding your point. Of course civilisations can and have fallen apart many times throughout history unrelated to alien life, but I believe that conclusively observing and proving beyond all doubt that another intelligent alien civilisation with presumably completely different religious, spiritual and cultural beliefs is out there would have cataclysmic effects for our own sense of identity, politics, religion and so on.

Yes, all of those things you have established are perfectly concrete observations. But in addition, answer me this. If, in fact, life is so common that we should see evidence of it in our closest of systems, then where are the remnants of technologically advanced civilisations? The fact of the matter is that some event, be it the invention of particular technology or sociopolitical instability leads to the erasure of complex (intelligent) life almost all of the time. That being said, finding microbes on another planet is horrifying.
Original post by quagmiretoilet
Yes, all of those things you have established are perfectly concrete observations. But in addition, answer me this. If, in fact, life is so common that we should see evidence of it in our closest of systems, then where are the remnants of technologically advanced civilisations? The fact of the matter is that some event, be it the invention of particular technology or sociopolitical instability leads to the erasure of complex (intelligent) life almost all of the time. That being said, finding microbes on another planet is horrifying.

Well I don't believe life is that common, or at least not intelligent life. We haven't observed even a fraction of nearby solar systems, let alone ones further away. Moreover, when observing distant planets (and even some in our own solar system) I don't yet believe we have the ability to view the surface of the ones covered in thick clouds, we can often only analyse the atmosphere and make inferences from that.
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Original post by Sorcerer of Old
Well I don't believe life is that common, or at least not intelligent life. We haven't observed even a fraction of nearby solar systems, let alone ones further away. Moreover, when observing distant planets (and even ones in our own solar system) I don't yet believe we have the ability to view the surface, we can often only analyse the atmosphere and make inferences from that.


Agreed, we can't draw conclusions about the development of intelligent life based on the origination of simple unicellular life. Still, it bears thinking about.
Really, you think microbes on another planet is horrifying?? I would think it's pretty common actually, with all the gassy sh!te out there there must be something that's evolved to feed on that creep lmao.
Original post by Sorcerer of Old
Really, you think microbes on another planet is horrifying?? I would think it's pretty common actually, with all the gassy sh!te out there there must be something that's evolved to feed on that creep lmao.

Everything evolves, in the right conditions all life will tend towards a greater maximum return in the longevity of its genetic information. If these things are quite as spontaneous and likely to occur as the evidence suggests, then our very existence is called into question. As you mentioned earlier, it will shake religious and political institutions to their core. Merely the fact that simple life originates so readily suggests that intelligent life should do so too (as some evolutionary branch)

Life itself was something that was believed to be incredibly rare, with only one confirmed place known to harbour it. What happens then when we are finally thrown from that pulpit. It is horrifying in the sense that it will precipitate our downfall, at least in the short-term.
Original post by quagmiretoilet
Everything evolves, in the right conditions all life will tend towards a greater maximum return in the longevity of its genetic information. If these things are quite as spontaneous and likely to occur as the evidence suggests, then our very existence is called into question. As you mentioned earlier, it will shake religious and political institutions to their core. Merely the fact that simple life originates so readily suggests that intelligent life should do so too (as some evolutionary branch)

Life itself was something that was believed to be incredibly rare, with only one confirmed place known to harbour it. What happens then when we are finally thrown from that pulpit. It is horrifying in the sense that it will precipitate our downfall, at least in the short-term.

Well I mean bear in mind that even on Earth which is teeming with organisms, intelligent life isn't common. Based on the perimeters we use we can say it's limited to us in the most exclusive sense, but can include other higher primates, proboscidea and certain species of cetacean in the more general. And that's because it takes millions of years for that kind of evolution to take place. And considering how distant other planets are, intelligent civilisations may be long extinct by the time the light reaches us. As you alluded to, developing something like faster than light travel would be an amazing way to explore more quickly and cover a larger area.
Original post by Sorcerer of Old
Well I mean bear in mind that even on Earth which is teeming with organisms, intelligent life isn't common. Based on the perimeters we use we can say it's limited to us in the most exclusive sense, but can include other higher primates, proboscidea and certain species of cetacean in the more general. And that's because it takes millions of years for that kind of evolution to take place. And considering how distant other planets are, intelligent civilisations may be long extinct by the time the light reaches us. As you alluded to, developing something like faster than light travel would be an amazing way to explore more quickly and cover a larger area.


Something you might be interested in, hope we can talk later: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1806.02404.pdf
Original post by quagmiretoilet
Something you might be interested in, hope we can talk later: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1806.02404.pdf

Thanks, I'll give it a read.
Original post by quagmiretoilet
Yes, all of those things you have established are perfectly concrete observations. But in addition, answer me this. If, in fact, life is so common that we should see evidence of it in our closest of systems, then where are the remnants of technologically advanced civilisations? The fact of the matter is that some event, be it the invention of particular technology or sociopolitical instability leads to the erasure of complex (intelligent) life almost all of the time. That being said, finding microbes on another planet is horrifying.


The Fermi Paradox.

But it doesn't have to be horrifying. Here's a very few ideas of things that might answer it:

1) We haven't discovered whatever technology they use for communicating cross-galaxy. Radio isn't very efficient. It takes a very long time for light to travel that far. Maybe they're shouting at us from all directions and we just don't know how to listen.

2) Maybe they evolved in places different to ours. A race that evolved in the oceans of Titan would find that outside the iceflows that cover their world, they were suddenly irradiated and murdered. Such a race wouldn't look to the stars with a sense of wonder - They would look at it like you might look at C'thulhu: Unknowable and vast and scary. Why would they expand to space if Space is just a scary, deadly place to them?

3) Maybe they've evolved knowledge that makes space exploration worthless. What if the Multiverse is real and they've learned to travel it? Why face the difficulties of a vast universe if there are infinite worlds a half-step away?

And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Maybe being a 3 dimensional being is just the cradle and we were meant to grow beyond the cradle. Or maybe they blow themselves up. We simply don't know.

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