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can i get a job at a top law firm as a barrister with sh*t grades??

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Original post by Crazy Jamie
As has already been said, you are generally going to be self employed as a barrister, so the amount of money that you make that the number of clients that you have can vary significantly from barrister to barrister even within the same practice area.

There are a lot of different areas of law that you can practise in as a barrister. Very broadly the three main practice areas are crime (the state wanting to prosecute a person), family (disputes in family settings) and civil (any other dispute between private individuals or entities). Within family law you have private children (where couples split up and need to make arrangements for their children), public children (where local authorities want to take children away from parents), and matrimonial finance (where couples divorce and need to determine where their assets go). Civil is basically 'everything else' and is incredibly broad, to the point where it's not really accurate to put it in just its own category. There are also practice areas that don't neatly fit into one of those three. Regulatory, for example, is where regulatory bodies in certain industries bring proceedings against individuals or companies for breaking rules within that industry. It is often done by criminal barristers, but by no means always. Immigration is also another example that is somewhat separate. In terms of areas that aren't crime or family, you've got the likes of public law, personal injury law, employment law, sports law, and commercial law. Even within those individual practice areas there's a lot of scope to specialise further. Some personal injury barristers do a lot of inquests, for example, which have their own rules. In employment law you have those who specialise in discrimination cases, and may do those in areas outside employment as well. Commercial law is one of the most broad individual areas, and you can find yourself dealing with contract cases, property cases, company disputes, and an awful lot more besides. There are many more areas that I haven't touched upon, but your practice can also span different areas. I'm predominantly an employment barrister, but I also practice in other distinct and niche areas as well. To give one other example, a very good friend of mine is a criminal barrister, but also does quite a lot of sports disciplinary work, that is to say mostly representing professional sports players when they face disciplinary action by their governing body (he has a particular interest in doping offences, but does a range of others too).

Basically, there are a lot of different areas that you can practise in as a barrister, and as a lawyer generally, to the point sometimes where the job is very different depending on what you practise in. My day to day work life is very different to that friend of mine who is a criminal barrister, for example, and we certainly couldn't just do each other's jobs at this stage of our careers. You develop your own practice and specialisms as time goes on, which is a feature of being self employed.

In terms of money, it very much depends what you think a lot of money is. Crime is generally the lowest paid area, but in the right situation you can still make plenty of money from it (I know criminal barristers who were comfortably making over £100,000 around 7-10 years in). Equally, there are some other practice areas where in more challenging situations you won't make as much money as some criminal barristers. But broadly, most areas other than crime will allow you to make enough money to live comfortably on fairly quickly. It is a profession where you should be financially secure assuming you can manage your money even half competently (which, it is worth saying, a lot of barristers don't, just as a lot of people don't generally). I do echo what others have said though that it is not a profession you want to go into with money as your main motivator. It is a difficult job. And yes, lots of other jobs are difficult too, but personally I think you'll struggle if it isn't a role that you find satisfying.

Thanks for ur input and i understand you but struggle is a part of life sometimes u struggle more than other times sometimes you struggle less but as long as one is alive struggle is a part of there life. I dont care about like a lot of money i just want enough to live comfortably thats it. I am motivated to do law and i am gonna see this year what happens after a year, what my thoughts are on the topic. Working hard is a big part of being a lawyer i know that much. I have an uncle who is a lawyer and hes working always even at home but he works in a different country and studies there aswell so he doesn't know that much about the uk. But i still admire the worl he does and hope to be as good as him one day or better even tho i have **** grades🤣🤣. You know the pupilage, is it hard to get one after your degree and do you do it after your BAR practice course or before it.
Original post by 1414al-atariq
You know the pupilage, is it hard to get one after your degree and do you do it after your BAR practice course or before it.


You can apply for pupillages before you do your Bar course, but only a small minority of candidates secure pupillage before they do their Bar course. The vast majority secure it during the year that they're doing the Bar course, or in the years afterwards. Either way you do your pupillage after you have finished the Bar course. Securing pupillage is very difficult and it is not a decision that you should take lightly. I appreciate what you say about working hard and seeing how things go, but you will waste a lot of time and money if you aim for pupillage and it isn't realistic for you. You need a lot more than hard work. You need to objectively be a good candidate with the right skills and ability. As a starting point, your A-Level grades are not a good sign, and whilst you can mitigate those, you really do need a First to do it. So by all means study law, but I would do a lot more research into the career paths that are open to you with a law degree, including the Bar, and then as time goes on you can focus on the one that is right for you. With the best will in the world, being a barrister may not be.
Original post by Crazy Jamie
You can apply for pupillages before you do your Bar course, but only a small minority of candidates secure pupillage before they do their Bar course. The vast majority secure it during the year that they're doing the Bar course, or in the years afterwards. Either way you do your pupillage after you have finished the Bar course. Securing pupillage is very difficult and it is not a decision that you should take lightly. I appreciate what you say about working hard and seeing how things go, but you will waste a lot of time and money if you aim for pupillage and it isn't realistic for you. You need a lot more than hard work. You need to objectively be a good candidate with the right skills and ability. As a starting point, your A-Level grades are not a good sign, and whilst you can mitigate those, you really do need a First to do it. So by all means study law, but I would do a lot more research into the career paths that are open to you with a law degree, including the Bar, and then as time goes on you can focus on the one that is right for you. With the best will in the world, being a barrister may not be.


thank you for helping me out and imma see as i go along i might have to change my mind but all i can do rn is work hard and take my chances, can you get a pupillage through like knowing someone like if someone puts in a good word or something or does that not matter.
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Original post by 1414al-atariq
can you get a pupillage through like knowing someone like if someone puts in a good word or something or does that not matter.


Not anymore, no. Once upon a time this sort of thing happened quite a lot at the Bar, but it hasn't done for a while now.
Original post by Crazy Jamie
Not anymore, no. Once upon a time this sort of thing happened quite a lot at the Bar, but it hasn't done for a while now.


hahahahha thought so🤣 had to ask anyways thanks for ur help, can i ask like some questions during my llb, i mean like later on if i need some help or anything?
Original post by 1414al-atariq
hahahahha thought so🤣 had to ask anyways thanks for ur help, can i ask like some questions during my llb, i mean like later on if i need some help or anything?

If you have career questions you can always come back to this forum. If you have questions on topics that you cover during your LLB, there is a different forum for that. I don't tend to get involved in those questions. Have plenty from my own clients to deal with.
Original post by 1414al-atariq
Hi, i m going to be starting university this coming monday. I m going to do law LLB with foundation year at uni of law Manchester and am a bit puzzled. can i get a job at a top firm or even a good firm that pays well if i get like a 2:1 or a 1st in uni, would my a level results hurt my chances of getting into a good pupillage or do they not matter?? i need help immediately 🫥🫥🫥

With those Alevels unless you have good extenuating circumstances are you sure uni is even for you let alone law?
Original post by Crazy Jamie
If you have career questions you can always come back to this forum. If you have questions on topics that you cover during your LLB, there is a different forum for that. I don't tend to get involved in those questions. Have plenty from my own clients to deal with.


hahaha nws mate i meant career questions thanks for ur help
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Original post by 1414al-atariq
hopefully a barrister with idk like maybe corporate or criminal

Look on justice jobs criminal barrister s work salaried for the cps they prosecute crimes on behalf of the crown... It's 40-60 k off the top of my head 👍
Crazy Jamie has been very helpful and kind. I shall also try to be helpful, but I may be a tad more robust in my expression. I'm a practising barrister. The University of Law is not well regarded by many practising lawyers, and you may struggle to obtain a pupillage when competing against candidates with degrees from Russell Group universities. Law is a profession in which the relative standing of your university may count more than it does in other careers.

I tried to mentor a young lawyer who has a first from the University of Law and I was shocked by how poor her legal education had been. She had remarkable gaps in her knowledge of some fundamental principles. I add that I am an experienced trainer and mentor of young lawyers, and all of my other pupils/mentees have gone on to success at the Bar.

The Bar is oversubscribed - more people pass the Bar exams than there are pupillages and tenancies available. The attrition rate is high. You can boost your chances, perhaps, by obtaining an LLM or equivalent at a Russell Group university, and by reading widely in both legal and non-legal subjects. Please also pay attention to precision in written English. Good luck with your studies.
The way I see it your a levels are a good representation of how you work under pressure. being a barrister you will be under immense pressure, tight deadlines and you have to perform consistently. the bar is oversubscribed and your poor a levels put you at a major disadvantage. ask yourself, why would you get picked for pupillage when there are students with much better grades and degrees than you? it's not saying you can't but I'm saying you need to balance out your bad grades with amazing stuff.

If you want an easy comfy life don't become a barrister!

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