I think university fees should be abolished

I think it quite wrong for people who haven't been to university, and often have lower incomes, to be subsidising the costs of those who do go to university and then benefit from a higher paid job at the end of it.

No, because university fees are not paid until after you graduate.

If the government abolished fees then maybe they could aim for targets like 75-80% of youngsters going to university. If Britain wants to be a competitive economy with skilled and educated people, it needs to aim to get the whole of its young generation through the doors of a university. Britain annually churns out 300,000 graduates, whereas countries such as India and China churn out 2-3million. Therefore how can we compete? By removing the barriers that prevent people from going to uni; namely tuition fees. What do you guys think?

It's probably a graduate who has given them their job in the first place, though.

This is nonsense. Many of the most prominent business men in this country didn't go to university and learnt their trade whilst working.

Take a look at this site:

http://specials.ft.com/ft500/may2001/FT33KQ4NKMC.html

The heads of most, if not all, of those companies - the biggest employers in the UK - will be graduates. My point was not "nonsense", and you are really just denying the facts now because your argument fails.

By removing the barriers that prevent people from going to uni; namely tuition fees. What do you guys think?

if eveyone wants graduate employment, who sweeps the streets? empties the bins? cleans public toilets?

we cant become super-elite, without flying in immigrants to do meanial jobs (bad idea) or returning to slavery (worse idea)

tuition fees are necessary, and if you dont want to pay them, then you dont really want to go to university - in which case we're all better off if you dont go and waste a tutors valuble time

And are you going to be the one that aims to sweep the streets, or scub **** from public toilets filled with needles? People need aspirations and that what university imbues them with.

And are you going to be the one that aims to sweep the streets, or scub **** from public toilets filled with needles? People need aspirations and that what university imbues them with.

The fees can be lowered but not abolished. I think if they were something like £1000 a year, with free Accomadation, then it would stop people going to uni and p!ssing about because theres still a nominal cost.

How would that stop people from going to uni?

First of all, Say NO to international students, this would give a British Degree Prestiege, and make the degree more worthwhile, whilst freeing up places for those that are skeptical about going due to the fees. The fees can be lowered but not abolished. I think if they were something like £1000 a year, with free Accomadation, then it would stop people going to uni and p!ssing about because theres still a nominal cost.

And why not do degrees in vocational subjects, then give those in vocations reason to say "qualified" and not just because they have done a 2 day course.

I would suggest, that to pay for it, the lowest ranked universities on average, should be closed. and run as private colleges and remote/distant campusses.

any thoughts?