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Made in the USA
You might find this poll interesting:

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=585

Generally northern Europeans are happier than southern Europeans and Americans are the happiest and most optimistic of all people surveyed. It doesn't surprise me that the Greeks are among the most miserable of all Europeans. If you tell a Greek person about an idea you have, they almost always tell you why it will fail.



Interesting. Tbh though I think the finding about Americans could well be to do with the fact that complaining or negativity is more frowned upon in American culture rather than that people are truly happier.
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Made in the USA
You might find this poll interesting:

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=585

Generally northern Europeans are happier than southern Europeans and Americans are the happiest and most optimistic of all people surveyed. It doesn't surprise me that the Greeks are among the most miserable of all Europeans. If you tell a Greek person about an idea you have, they almost always tell you why it will fail.


Not really, optimism doesn't equate with happiness. And I don't think you can really show how happy a nation is when you've just suffered through probably the worst president in the 20th/21st century. It's not as simple as how you feel. I agree Britain aren't the happiest bunnies in the world, but we aint as miserable as we make out either.

Moaning is a national past time, better out than in I say. Catharsis should never be underestimated, particularly when compared to denial. :biggrin:
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Trampmaster90


Bill Bailey is brilliant. :biggrin:

I remember being on a train once that got stuck due to signal failure, the complaints were priceless, I was laughing my arse off. I made a suggestion people leave the train and jump the wall, fight the power! And several people actually did. Priceless, luckily they didn't die or I'd of looked pretty bad.

It was then I realised why I love living in the UK so much we are reserved, but when the chips are down and you're on your way home to a nice steak dinner or whatever, we don't take **** from no one, given enough provocation we'll fight anything. :smile:
JMonkey
Not really, optimism doesn't equate with happiness. And I don't think you can really show how happy a nation is when you've just suffered through probably the worst president in the 20th/21st century. It's not as simple as how you feel. I agree Britain aren't the happiest bunnies in the world, but we aint as miserable as we make out either.


Huh, what does the president have to do with anything? I liked GWB, hate Obama with a passion, but I'm still a happy person. I don't think presidents have as much influence on the electorate as people give them credit for.
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Made in the USA
Huh, what does the president have to do with anything? I liked GWB, hate Obama with a passion, but I'm still a happy person. I don't think presidents have as much influence on the electorate as people give them credit for.


Politics effects no one, yeah that's nonsense. It always surprises me when people rise up and overthrow governments or start protesting about wars. The question are you happy, is bs anyway, happy about what? Britains are no more nor less happy than they have ever been, despite losing their arrogance and opinion of British superiority (a good thing I might add, you might learn something). Polls and statistics on such a broad issue are worthless statistically, or scientifically unless they are done in such a way as to encompass the whole spectrum of what is happy, and I'm not sure they can.
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naivesincerity
I don't know how other populaces compare, but if you ever look at those 'leave your comments' thingys on the web, it's amazing how negative and petty they are and how critical they are of success.

Is this human nature or are the Brits really this sad?

No, people who comment on BBC News entries (or other) are this sad.
I believe the idea of the british people as being negative stems not so much from any inherant negative mindset in the british people, but from disillisionment with their their country, and what has happened to it - in short, a sense of being let down by the establishment they fought for, trusted, and believed in. A sense that their history is ebbing away (and therefore its very foundation - we have no constitution). You only have to look to the victorian era to see just how ambituous and aspirational our ancestors were. Victorian england gave rise to the modern world - the industrial revolution and the rise of the big cities. In contrast to many of our european neighbours britain never opted for socialism - its people believed so strongly in the dignity of labour and that through hard work you really could better yourself and that everyone should have the ability to better themselves. (Compare with labours layabout benefits society). A small island does not create the largest empire in history through a negative mindset (let's not get into the moralising of this, this is not the thread for it and above all it is just boring).
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Time Tourist
I believe the idea of the british people as being negative stems not so much from any inherant negative mindset in the british people, but from disillisionment with their their country, and what has happened to it - in short, a sense of being let down by the establishment they fought for, trusted, and believed in. A sense that their history is ebbing away (and therefore its very foundation - we have no constitution). You only have to look to the victorian era to see just how ambituous and aspirational our ancestors were. Victorian england gave rise to the modern world - the industrial revolution and the rise of the big cities. In contrast to many of our european neighbours britain never opted for socialism - its people believed so strongly in the dignity of labour and that through hard work you really could better yourself and that everyone should have the ability to better themselves. (Compare with labours layabout benefits society). A small island does not create the largest empire in history through a negative mindset (let's not get into the moralising of this, this is not the thread for it and above all it is just boring).


That's a bit of a narrow view, many people embrace socialism in this country that's why we have a national health service, education for all regardless of income, and a benefits system which is based on earnings. WE embraced socialism ages ago, what we didn't embrace was communism or anything too left wing. The labour party before it turned into conservative lite was the peoples part, the working man's party and that is as intrinsic to British society as our outdated elitist attitudes are to our history.
JMonkey
That's a bit of a narrow view, many people embrace socialism in this country that's why we have a national health service, education for all regardless of income, and a benefits system which is based on earnings. WE embraced socialism ages ago, what we didn't embrace was communism or anything too left wing. The labour party before it turned into conservative lite was the peoples part, the working man's party and that is as intrinsic to British society as our outdated elitist attitudes are to our history.


Of course, we embraced elements of socialism esp after the horrors of ww2, but my point was that throughout recent history bar our current (soon to be over?) government, britain has tended towards right leaning capitalist governments.
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Time Tourist
Of course, we embraced elements of socialism esp after the horrors of ww2, but my point was that throughout recent history bar our current (soon to be over?) government, britain has tended towards right leaning capitalist governments.


Yeah that's worked out well, recession, worst education in Europe outside of the Eastern bloc. Two cripplingly expensive foreign wars, only one was supported. The other was illegal to all right thinking people anyway.

The American model sucks ass. I'd vote conservative only to combat Labours piss poor record on education. If they messed up then I'd vote someone else. My politics has always depended on policies over platform.

I don't want to sound anti American but their right wing only capitalist system is often their biggest flaw.

See moaning, ah God bless the UK. :biggrin:
Yeah that's worked out well, recession, worst education in Europe outside of the Eastern bloc. Two cripplingly expensive foreign wars, only one was supported. The other was illegal to all right thinking people anyway.

The American model sucks ass. I'd vote conservative only to combat Labours piss poor record on education. If they messed up then I'd vote someone else. My politics has always depended on policies over platform.

I don't want to sound anti American but their right wing only capitalist system is often their biggest flaw.

See moaning, ah God bless the UK. :biggrin:


I agree more then anyone our country has gone down the drain...

but all your points relate to the blair/brown years... and i'm not really interested in your personel politics.

I think howard said it best "it's a clapped out little has-been"

I'm pointing there has been a fundamental shift in the psyche of britain - once the envy of the world, a proud country of endless possibilites. Now a country turning to rot, run by a bunch of self-loathing t*ssers who hold the people they are supposed to serve in nothing short of contempt.
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Time Tourist
I agree more then anyone our country has gone down the drain...

but all your points relate to the blair/brown years... and i'm not really interested in your personel politics.

I think howard said it best "it's a clapped out little has-been"

I'm pointing there has been a fundamental shift in the psyche of britain - once the envy of the world, a proud country of endless possibilites. Now a country turning to rot, run by a bunch of self-loathing t*ssers who hold the people they are supposed to serve in nothing short of contempt.


Margaret Thatcher and Tony Blair were guilty of everything you said. The country has not gone to ruin, it has just made bad choices of leadership. It would be like saying the US has gone to ruin for the piss poor run of some presidents in the late 20th early 21st century.

I for one think that there is no need to have any pride in our imperial past. Having pride in a nation should not require having to support a brutal authoritarian mass murdering elitist bunch of tosspots, even if they are excused by virtue of the age to some extent.
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Social/cultural forum?
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naivesincerity
I don't know how other populaces compare, but if you ever look at those 'leave your comments' thingys on the web, it's amazing how negative and petty they are and how critical they are of success.

Is this human nature or are the Brits really this sad?


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