The 19 year old pedophile who has never gone near a child- Interesting podcast

Original post by MichelBraga

You are correct and wrong. Pornography still is a problem, especially the mainstream pornography; it objectifies women, induces violent behaviour on men and homogenizes the sexual act.

Or...

Caters to the sexual urges of men and women that might otherwise be carried out if there wasn't this outlet for men and women to blow off some steam without hurting anyone.

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CJKay

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Original post by MichelBraga

You are correct and wrong. Pornography still is a problem, especially the mainstream pornography; it objectifies women, induces violent behaviour on men and homogenizes the sexual act.

That seems an anecdotal and baseless argument to me. I, myself, watch it, I had quite a lengthy conversation with my mates about it earlier, and I've known plenty of women who watch it quite happily - and I don't see anything wrong or weird about admitting that. Things need to be done about the objectification of both sexes but, in the end, it's what people see in their social lives that changes the way they view other people - not what they mindlessly watch to relieve themselves. Did you know Morgan Freeman isn't actually a CIA agent or God?

Original post by Professor Purple

Rape was never legal....it simply wasnt recognised. Seeing as unwarranted physical violence is illegal, rape wouldve come under that category.

Child marriage? In different ages throughout time child marriage was never an issue within that society, and both male and female had reached/passed puberty. Who are we to decide if it was wrong or right?

My argument is against porn and the effect it has on the brain. It promotes animalistic behaviour.

For an act to not be recognised as illegal implies it is a legal - quite a simple concept really ("you can do it unless it says you can't", e.g. Mephedrone before 2010). Rape does not always imply unwarranted physical violence. In fact, I'm pretty sure those are two separately recognised acts. Take, for example, taking advantage of a passed out woman, your wife or ignoring a "safe word". Consent was not given, or was redacted, and there you have rape without physical violence.

We are a country of 21st century neuroscientists, psychologists and sociologists is who we are to decide it is wrong. It's known puberty does not end until around 17 for women - the age of menstruation is a ridiculous marker of "eligibility to marry".

I can ensure you I nor the majority of my friends have done nothing animalistic. Have I not been anything but civil with you? It's a ridiculous assumption that those who watch porn are "animalistic".

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MichelBraga

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Original post by Masiemaths

Or...

Caters to the sexual urges of men and women that might otherwise be carried out if there wasn't this outlet for men and women to blow off some steam without hurting anyone.

Again, you are correct but also wrong. It does "provides" that service, and also has a strong value of sexual education, but nowadays porn is extremely oriented to the wrong values, inducing an disturbed mentality on men and women. Porn is important, but with exceptions.

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Finished watching the podcast. That was very interesting and I think its great at least one form of media is starting to show this side of pedophiles as opposed to the crazy generalised mentally ill image of pedophiles portrayed throughout the media.

Thanks OP, that podcast was insightful

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Original post by TolerantBeing

for a human being with decent moral values to suffer from pedophilia, to be attracted to children but to despise yourself for it.

A human being with 'decent moral values' wouldn't be attracted to pre-pubescent children. There is nothing 'decent' or 'moral' about anyone that has such urges.

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Original post by MichelBraga

Again, you are correct but also wrong. It does "provides" that service, and also has a strong value of sexual education, but nowadays porn is extremely oriented to the wrong values, inducing an disturbed mentality on men and women. Porn is important, but with exceptions.

Everything will have a right and wrong answer here, and multiple ways of viewing it. The way someone views porn is subjective, it will vary from person to person, Objectively looking at statistics vs the growth of porn, you will see that porn hasn't damaged peoples minds the extent to which they think it has.
I agree some porn is OTT but at the end of the day, as long as there are consenting adults in the porn flick I couldn't care less whether some people find it objectifying or any variation of the sort.

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Original post by Masiemaths

Finished watching the podcast. That was very interesting and I think its great at least one form of media is starting to show this side of pedophiles as opposed to the crazy generalised mentally ill image of pedophiles portrayed throughout the media.

Thanks OP, that podcast was insightful

But that is correct.. they are mentally ill and they are disgusting. How can anyone rationalise or try to explain it away? Once you start trying to justify something, it raises questions as to whether something is 'morally wrong' or not.

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MichelBraga

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Original post by CJKay

That seems an anecdotal and baseless argument to me. I, myself, watch it, I had quite a lengthy conversation with my mates about it earlier, and I've known plenty of women who watch it quite happily - and I don't see anything wrong or weird about admitting that. Things need to be done about the objectification of both sexes but, in the end, it's what people see in their social lives that changes the way they view other people - not what they mindlessly watch to relieve themselves. Did you know Morgan Freeman isn't actually a CIA agent or God?

Well, those arguments are reflected on rape waves all over the world (India, Brazil, Egypt), on mass consumption patterns, and on the average propaganda (if you want, I can discuss some examples).

Still, I'm pro-pornography, but the mainstream one is an issue for me.

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karmacrunch

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Okay I am going to leave this thread but I'll say this-
Although you might not agree (the vast majority of this thread), I am standing by it. I believe that pedophillia is morally wrong because being attracted to children under 11 is quite frankly disgusting. A desires with a child who has not developed at all. Men or women should have these feelings with other adults or those old enough to make decisions (e.g. 16+, 18+).
Also, why is it that those who do not act but still have these desires are not bad but only those who act on them are bad?

Maybe it's because I'm not as old as most of you myself but I'll will agree that at least he knows it is wrong. He needs to choose how to act and think from now on.

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Original post by alis-volatpropriis

A human being with 'decent moral values' wouldn't be attracted to pre-pubescent children. There is nothing 'decent' or 'moral' about anyone that has such urges.

A decent moral human being would be him, he has these uncontrollable urges yet he chooses not to act on them, because he has probably thought long and hard about the consequences and moral judgement following acting upon them.

Grow up a bit and become more open-minded, I'd say hes more human than you.

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ClickItBack

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Original post by MichelBraga

You are correct and wrong. Pornography still is a problem, especially the mainstream pornography; it objectifies women, induces violent behaviour on men and homogenizes the sexual act.

Data, not dogma.

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TolerantBeing

OP

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Original post by alis-volatpropriis

A human being with 'decent moral values' wouldn't be attracted to pre-pubescent children. There is nothing 'decent' or 'moral' about anyone that has such urges.

Our concept of moral values is a conscious one, involving conscious, deliberate awareness of what is deemed morally right, and morally wrong, in current society.

Attraction is not a conscious decision, as I'm sure you know. Or are you implying it is?

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james22

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Original post by alis-volatpropriis

A human being with 'decent moral values' wouldn't be attracted to pre-pubescent children. There is nothing 'decent' or 'moral' about anyone that has such urges.

How can something uncontrolable be immoral? More importantly, how can any thoughts be immoral?

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Original post by alis-volatpropriis

But that is correct.. they are mentally ill and they are disgusting. How can anyone rationalise or try to explain it away? Once you start trying to justify something, it raises questions as to whether something is 'morally wrong' or not.

No that is correct, in your opinion. They are not disgusting, they are disgusting if they act on these urges.

Morally ok: Having uncontrollable urges towards children
Morally wrong: Acting out on those urges

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Green Marble

Original post by Masiemaths

No that is correct, in your opinion. They are not disgusting, they are disgusting if they act on these urges.

Morally ok: Having uncontrollable urges towards children
Morally wrong: Acting out on those urges

Your a peado

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Original post by Masiemaths

A decent moral human being would be him, he has these uncontrollable urges yet he chooses not to act on them, because he has probably thought long and hard about the consequences and moral judgement following acting upon them.

Grow up a bit and become more open-minded, I'd say hes more human than you.

What the hell is wrong with you? I'm closed-minded because I don't think anyone that suffers from pedophilia is a decent and moral person?

From the sounds of it, you seem to sympathise with him, are you attracted to children? Is that why you're justifying his urges?

The man literally downloaded child pornography, which is not only illegal but gives the actual pedophiles more fuel to continue abusing children for money and their own sexual gratification. He's as bad as the real pedophiles that abuse children.

And I cannot believe people on this thread are equating homosexuality with pedophilia. Just because homosexuality used to be illegal and consider immoral, does not mean pedophilia will somehow become legal.

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Original post by karmacrunch

Okay I am going to leave this thread but I'll say this-
Although you might not agree (the vast majority of this thread), I am standing by it. I believe that pedophillia is morally wrong because being attracted to children under 11 is quite frankly disgusting. A desires with a child who has not developed at all. Men or women should have these feelings with other adults or those old enough to make decisions (e.g. 16+, 18+).
Also, why is it that those who do not act but still have these desires are not bad but only those who act on them are bad?

Maybe it's because I'm not as old as most of you myself but I'll will agree that at least he knows it is wrong. He needs to choose how to act and think from now on.

It's not morally wrong if you can't control having those feelings.

Because acting on those desires is sexual harassment of a child, for which they cannot consent to, for which they are too young to experience, for which abuses positions of authority.

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