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My Flatmate Didn't Know That Sex With A Drunk Girl Is Rape

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Original post by Ladymusiclover
How can you consent if you're totally drunk??? Let's not forget the Stanford rape case. The victim had no recollection of the event so couldn't have consented.


But also wouldn't have suffered any mental harm if she hadn't been labelled a victim. I always struggle with that conflict. No doubt that having sex with a girl too incapacitated to make a decision is wrong but part of the reason sexual offences have been seen as worse is to do with the mental harm element. If someone is too drunk to remember they avoid the mental harm and only feel it when they're told their victims


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If you think that having intercourse with a girl when she is drunk is rape then you are probably a virgin, lol
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Original post by glebp
If you think that having intercourse with a girl when she is drunk rape then you are probably a virgin, lol


That's probably the attitude that got Ched Evans put in jail


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Original post by Underscore__
But also wouldn't have suffered any mental harm if she hadn't been labelled a victim. I always struggle with that conflict. No doubt that having sex with a girl too incapacitated to make a decision is wrong but part of the reason sexual offences have been seen as worse is to do with the mental harm element. If someone is too drunk to remember they avoid the mental harm and only feel it when they're told their victims


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Yes I agree. Did you read the victim's statement? It must have been horrific for her to be at the hospital and have medical staff examining her body only to then find out she was raped. I think though she/many victims would have an idea that they were raped though (even if they weren't told or found) as she was found with her clothes almost completely removed and sustained internal injuries.
Original post by Ladymusiclover
Yes I agree. Did you read the victim's statement? It must have been horrific for her to be at the hospital and have medical staff examining her body only to then find out she was raped. I think though she/many victims would have an idea that they were raped though (even if they weren't told or found) as she was found with her clothes almost completely removed and sustained internal injuries.


Oof.
Original post by EastonUmmah
If it was a case of the drink being forced down her neck then fair enough. But as I see if if the intention to get drunk is there and a lady is not really putting up a resistance to the guy or worse still encouraging him, I dont see how on earth that can be rape. Its bad luck, sure but its certainly not rape. Bar club culture is an inherently risk activity anyway that is why the allure is there.

You're a ****ing moron.

Your logic:
- woman drinks
- man rapes woman
- woman is at fault for what man has done

?????
Imo raping is a much bigger crime than drinking.

Also - I don't agree that all drunken sex is rape, unless of course the woman says no or is so drunk she is not lucid.
Original post by glebp
If you think that having intercourse with a girl when she is drunk is rape then you are probably a virgin, lol


There's no correlation..
Original post by 0to100
Revert to my 1st sentence love

Interesting that this is when you choose to address someone as 'love'. Patronising and aggressive.
Original post by Normaleila
Interesting that this is when you choose to address someone as 'love'. Patronising and aggressive.


Well your rep has indicated to me that you saw my post that I linked you to, so the terms I use on actually anyone is irrelevant.
Your name looks like a female name and I call every female casually "love," "bab," etc
Original post by Ladymusiclover
Yes I agree. Did you read the victim's statement? It must have been horrific for her to be at the hospital and have medical staff examining her body only to then find out she was raped. I think though she/many victims would have an idea that they were raped though (even if they weren't told or found) as she was found with her clothes almost completely removed and sustained internal injuries.


I know a girl who went through a fairly similar thing except she woke up in her house. Instead of going to the police she chose to put it down to a drunken mistake that she doesn't remember and doesn't look at herself as a victim. I think that view has probably saved her from the mental harm.


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Original post by Underscore__
I know a girl who went through a fairly similar thing except she woke up in her house. Instead of going to the police she chose to put it down to a drunken mistake that she doesn't remember and doesn't look at herself as a victim. I think that view has probably saved her from the mental harm.


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I am a bloke and I once woke up and made a drunk mistake and woke up in bed with someone I regretted?

Am I a victim?


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Original post by Underscore__
I know a girl who went through a fairly similar thing except she woke up in her house. Instead of going to the police she chose to put it down to a drunken mistake that she doesn't remember and doesn't look at herself as a victim. I think that view has probably saved her from the mental harm.


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Yeah I see what you mean. I guess it depends where the rape occurs and the scenario.
Original post by lucabrasi98
Ironically that's probably UCLs worst few departments


wasnt srs
Original post by EastonUmmah
There is no such thing as 'taking advantage' of a girl. If a woman makes a voluntary decision to drink (haraam/shirk anyway) then she is fully aware of the consequences of doing so. If one wants to avoid any trouble its quite easy to avoid the pub/club scenario and stay home and study/be pure.


So what you're saying is that women should make an effort to not get raped, rather than making people not rape in the first place??
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Original post by glebp
If you think that having intercourse with a girl when she is drunk is rape then you are probably a virgin, lol


Lol. Not at all, I just don't need to get anyone drunk before considering sex with me :h:
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Original post by Elivercury
I was corrected on this recently actually. The law clearly stipulates it is penetration by a penis, so it's impossible for a woman to rape (ignoring potential non-binary situations which I cba to go into).

Also your second example is a bit extreme, they could easily just spike or otherwise force the man to take viagra. Job done.


I didn't know that, that's kinda ridiculous really.

The second example was for effect really and you're right there are many other less extreme ways however it is true that a non-sexual erection can be achieved in this way
Original post by Truths
He's smart enough to go to UCL yet thinks that if she she goes to a party and gets drunk that automatically means she wants to get ****ed. How does that work? :call2:


except it's not actually rape though, is it (objectively speaking). and that's not even what the law says.
if you wilfully consume alcohol and you have sex, and then reject that decision the next day, that's not rape, that's just regret.
consent is your free agreement to something, and alcohol doesn't force your brain to say "no" (making sex rape). alcohol does often do the opposite for some people.
if drunken consent and drunken sex = rape, then I have been raped by half the girls I've slept with!
if you're implying that girls can't consent just because they're drunk, then you're also implying that the drinking age ought to be higher for girls because they can't be trusted to be responsible for their own choices, drunken or sober. if the man is going to be blamed for *her* choice, then they aren't fully responsible adults, are they? exactly. so either it's rape and girls aren't responsible individuals, or it's quite plainly not rape, whether there's regret or not.

I've had sex with drunk chicks and I'm glad none of them had the cheek to suggest that I "raped" them. I mean, it was *them* who chose to get drunk in the first place. even if I took advantage of them (which I didn't) it still wouldn't be rape. for instance: my friends have seen me drunk and have taken this as an opportunity to make me buy them food on a night out (I'm very generous when I'm drunk) - does that mean that they stole from me just because I was drunk? no. it just means that I am an idiot when I drink sometimes - my friends didn't make me an idiot - I did. and these girls who drank and had sex with me chose to be easily swayed, I guess, via their own choice of getting drunk

calling drunken sex "rape" is a ****ing dishonour to all those women and girls who have *actually* been raped - putting drunken sex in the same category as rape is ****ing insanity
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Original post by Truths
He's smart enough to go to UCL yet thinks that if she she goes to a party and gets drunk that automatically means she wants to get ****ed. How does that work? :call2:


Just stay away from drunk girls full stop. Make sure you get your lawyer to approve of a sex request from exhibit A before having any form of sexual intercourse at College because 95% of females will scream rape.

Did I say the rape word? Oh dear! Trigger Trigger!

Safe Space!

Trigglypuff!

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If these women are that afraid they can always stay at home and study. If push comes to shove they could have a party at home/in their halls.
There are cases where one party feels that consent was clearly given (and with good cause) and another party feels that consent was not given (and with good cause). That is the root of this debate. Victim's advocates would have us assume that when in doubt the accused perpetrator is guilty. That is because prosecuting in a manner more consistent with the law is too easily exploited by predators in this type of case. The law states that the accused is "innocent until PROVEN guilty." When both the victim and accused perpetrator have a reasonable interpretation of events that are contradictory with one another then the judgment should be innocent. This is based on the premise that it is a greater injustice is to incriminate an innocent than it is to deny a victim justice.
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