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Original post by Underscore__
But that's exactly what happens when abortion has been made illegal. You get people that will do the proceedure illegally and considerably less safely, and a rise in people going elsewhere to get an abortion.
Original post by Underscore__
I don't really understand the relevance of what you're saying though. My point has been that the fact people will continue to do something after it has been banned that's not a valid reason for not banning it. Your experience with criminals also seems rather irrelevant
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Prohibition?
I dare say far less if any people would have heard of Al Capone without it.
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Prohibition?
I dare say far less if any people would have heard of Al Capone without it.
I dare say far less if any people would have heard of Al Capone without it.
Original post by Gwilym101
But that's exactly what happens when abortion has been made illegal. You get people that will do the proceedure illegally and considerably less safely, and a rise in people going elsewhere to get an abortion.
People still have illegal abortions but as for paying off police I wouldn't be so sure. As I've repeatedly said, the fact that people will still do something even if it is illegal is not a reason to not make it legal.
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Original post by Underscore__
People still have illegal abortions but as for paying off police I wouldn't be so sure. As I've repeatedly said, the fact that people will still do something even if it is illegal is not a reason to not make it legal.
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It is a reason to not ban it if more people are going to die from banning it.
Original post by Gwilym101
It is a reason to not ban it if more people are going to die from banning it.
No it isn't, fewer people might die if heroin was legalised so I assume you support that?
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Original post by #ChaosKass
Abortion is completely immoral. Just think of the number of potential Einsteins, Churchills etc that have been murdered in the name of "right to choice".
and don't forget the potential Trumps and Mussolinis etc.
Look at all the potentially great people that won't achieve great things because society views teen mothers as a disgrace, the unmarried women having children seen as disgusting, the women told the universe will give them the means to raise their child, but refuses to pay into the welfare state or child support system....
It is unfair to place value on a foetus when once born they mean nothing to the 'pro life' movement that forced them to exist...
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Original post by Underscore__
No it isn't, fewer people might die if heroin was legalised so I assume you support that?
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I support that.
Portugal. Look it up.
Original post by #ChaosKass
Abortion is completely immoral. Just think of the number of potential Einsteins, Churchills etc that have been murdered in the name of "right to choice".
Just think of the potential great scientists and leaders who have had to give up their education and stay home to look after a child they didn't want...
Also, wasn't Hitler's mum talked out of abortion? Anti-choicers really mucked up with that one.
Something to google: the Rockefeller commission
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Original post by BB8
I support that.
Portugal. Look it up.
Portugal. Look it up.
I'm aware of their drug policy but I'd suggest you're in a minority of people who'd suggest heroin should be legalised
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Original post by BB8
I support that.
Portugal. Look it up.
Portugal. Look it up.
I'm aware of their drug policy however there is a difference between decriminalisation and legalisation. I'd suggest you're in a minority of people who'd suggest heroin should be legalised
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Original post by Underscore__
I'm aware of their drug policy however there is a difference between decriminalisation and legalisation. I'd suggest you're in a minority of people who'd suggest heroin should be legalised
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I'm in support of Portugal's policy and I think other countries should take a leaf from their book. I'm definitely not in support of people spending years in prison for drug use (not talking about dealers, just users) or for healthcare (which is what people are suggesting in this thread). So whatever terms you would use to describe that, sure.
Original post by BB8
I'm in support of Portugal's policy and I think other countries should take a leaf from their book. I'm definitely not in support of people spending years in prison for drug use (not talking about dealers, just users) or for healthcare (which is what people are suggesting in this thread). So whatever terms you would use to describe that, sure.
But if you legalise drugs completely then you can't imprison drug dealers, my initial point that was by your logic drugs should be legalised, not just decriminalised.
I wouldn't classify having an abortion because you carelessly got pregnant as 'health' care.
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Original post by Gwilym101
It is a reason to not ban it if more people are going to die from banning it.
We're not living in the 1930s any more. Banning abortion would not result in backstreet coathanger-style invasive abortions. If anything, it would be the smuggling of abortifacient drugs. Ireland has to deal with this to some degree.
Original post by L i b
We're not living in the 1930s any more. Banning abortion would not result in backstreet coathanger-style invasive abortions. If anything, it would be the smuggling of abortifacient drugs. Ireland has to deal with this to some degree.
I think with the boom in medical tourism you'd also see a lot of people going abroad to have abortions to. Like I said before there isn't a sensible reason in favour of or against abortions but in my view when there's no sensible reason against something it has to be legal
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Original post by Underscore__
I think with the boom in medical tourism you'd also see a lot of people going abroad to have abortions to. Like I said before there isn't a sensible reason in favour of or against abortions but in my view when there's no sensible reason against something it has to be legal
I suppose from a detached perspective you could criminalise that too, if you wanted to close down the theoretical loophole there. An offence of travelling abroad to procure an abortion could be applied.
Original post by L i b
I suppose from a detached perspective you could criminalise that too, if you wanted to close down the theoretical loophole there. An offence of travelling abroad to procure an abortion could be applied.
It would be quite difficult to word it in such a way but it's possible I suppose
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Original post by ZoëC
and don't forget the potential Trumps and Mussolinis etc.
Look at all the potentially great people that won't achieve great things because society views teen mothers as a disgrace, the unmarried women having children seen as disgusting, the women told the universe will give them the means to raise their child, but refuses to pay into the welfare state or child support system....
It is unfair to place value on a foetus when once born they mean nothing to the 'pro life' movement that forced them to exist...
Look at all the potentially great people that won't achieve great things because society views teen mothers as a disgrace, the unmarried women having children seen as disgusting, the women told the universe will give them the means to raise their child, but refuses to pay into the welfare state or child support system....
It is unfair to place value on a foetus when once born they mean nothing to the 'pro life' movement that forced them to exist...
It is unfair to take value or worth away from a person that can not defend themselves or is at a disadvantage.
There are pro life organizations (non-profit) that do help foster, single mothers, single fathers, and others who chose life over death.
The same pro life movement understand that meaning or purpose is to a person to discover. Some that have joined the movement are abortion survivors or individuals whose parents decided adoption.
Original post by BB8
Abortion being illegal is dangerous.
Abortion being illegal is dangerous.
YAY ... those who lead the fight to bring about abortion have admitted that they lied about the wire hanger.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/373961/symbol-lie-kevin-d-williamson
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[video]https://youtu.be/cuJJowJikdk?t=4m25s[/video]
Does anyone get confused that socialism meant to be for the people yet they kill/want their own way and cover it up by " equality "
PS. Under 5 weeks I wouldn't say thats harmful. *read before replying...*
Does anyone get confused that socialism meant to be for the people yet they kill/want their own way and cover it up by " equality "
PS. Under 5 weeks I wouldn't say thats harmful. *read before replying...*
I think abortion should not be illegal, because there are some cases within which the only solution is to end the life of the fetus (e.g. when the mother's life is in danger or when the pregnancy is the result of a sexual assault etc. etc.). Also I am quite sure that abortion is not a light decision for a woman, therefore she has the right to decide.
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