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Reply 80
JonathanH
Are you going to source that assertion, or just baselessly claim that the wide-ranging UN probe only includes Galloway because there is some all-encompassing US conspiracy to set-him-up and "smear" him, because they apparently have nothing else to do with their time...


I cant. Its just my opinion, my take on events.
its probably not documented much and if it is i dont have access to it.

I wouldnt call it 'all-encompasing', just conservatives hasseling the socialist.
what was that stuff Georgey was calling them, "lickspittles and trotskites" or something like that, LMAO. I dont think they like each other.

anyway i know you dont agree. sorry that i dont have proof.
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lady_daisychain
i agree with everythin u have said in this convo :smile:


Thanx :biggrin:
Adam83
what was that stuff Georgey was calling them, "lickspittles and trotskites" or something like that, LMAO. I dont think they like each other.

Somehow I doubt he called a Republican-dominated US Senate Committee "Trotskyite"...
Reply 82
Galloway has been negatively portrayed by the media.

He is the only politician who's ideals and ideological ties havent been destroyed by false promises, corruption and scandle.
Yeah, of course, no "scandal" or "corruption" surrounding him, at all...
Reply 84
see, he has been successfully smeared in your mind
He successfully "smeared" himself in my mind. Knowing what I do about the man, I find it easy to believe that he'd have done what he's accused of.
JonathanH
Yeah, of course, no "scandal" or "corruption" surrounding him, at all...


no "scandal" or "corruption" surrounding the Iraq war then....

Why would he attack the Senate committee if he had done something wrong? Knowing that they would investigate.
asadtamimi
Why would he attack the Senate committee if he had done something wrong? Knowing that they would investigate.

What? He attacked the Senate Committee once they already WERE investigating him, it would've been a bit late.
Secondly, he attacked them because it was far easier to launch off on his own tirades and accuse them of things than it was to actually answer the questions or properly respond to the accusations.
Now he's apparently been caught out lying, which is not a surprise, considering his performance.
JonathanH
What? He attacked the Senate Committee once they already WERE investigating him, it would've been a bit late.
Secondly, he attacked them because it was far easier to launch off on his own tirades and accuse them of things than it was to actually answer the questions or properly respond to the accusations.
Now he's apparently been caught out lying, which is not a surprise, considering his performance.


http://channels.aolsvc.co.uk/news/article.adp?id=20051029024009990001

Now this should be an unbiased source (aol) and it says here that the evidence the senator used against george was false.
Well, if I could actually access the article...

Anyway, as far as I have seen, there has been no evidence that the evidence the Senators used were false in any way. Similarly, interestingly enough the veracity of the documents the Telegraph used was never challenged by Galloways's lawyers...
JonathanH
Well, if I could actually access the article...

Anyway, as far as I have seen, there has been no evidence that the evidence the Senators used were false in any way. Similarly, interestingly enough the veracity of the documents the Telegraph used was never challenged by Galloways's lawyers...


Here it is for you then :

The Respect MP was accused of pocketing money from Saddam Hussein's oil-for-food programme in two separate reports this week, both citing former Iraqi deputy prime minister Tariq Aziz as a source.

Republican Senator Norm Coleman used interviews with Aziz as evidence that Saddam's regime granted 23 million barrels of oil to Mr Galloway and his Mariam Appeal fund.

But the French lawyers representing Aziz told Mr Galloway in Paris that Aziz had never made a single statement incriminating him.

Ron McKay, spokesman for the Bethnal Green and Bow MP, said: "Aziz is denying he made any statement incriminating George to Senator Coleman or anybody else.

"Mr Galloway is accusing Senator Coleman of putting together lying testimony and has demanded that his name be cleared."

The Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations has accused the former Labour MP of giving false testimony about the oil allocations under oath.

Aziz allegedly told investigators Mr Galloway had requested oil allocations in the name of his friend, Jordanian businessman Fawaz Zureikat.

A separate UN-backed report published on Thursday also alleged the Respect MP received more than 18 million barrels of oil from the regime and also cited interviews with Aziz.
Reply 91
JonathanH
He successfully "smeared" himself in my mind. Knowing what I do about the man, I find it easy to believe that he'd have done what he's accused of.


what is it that you know about the man?
asadtamimi
http://channels.aolsvc.co.uk/news/article.adp?id=20051029024009990001

Now this should be an unbiased source (aol) and it says here that the evidence the senator used against george was false.

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Seriously, you have got to learn what a QUOTATION is.
It does not say that the evidence was false, it reports that OTHER PEOPLE said it was false. The "neutral source" is reporting the claims of what is a very biased party, not saying from a neutral view that the evidence was false.
Seriously, do you not like... know how news works?

And anyway, I've been reading up on the interviews with Aziz. Apparently the first time they spoke to him he made a number of admissions regarding oil allocations to Galloway, this is both according to the Senate committee and the UN. However, in the second interview, Aziz had learned (probably through his lawyer) that his testimony may form part of a prosecution, and so tried to change his story and retract. Now Aziz, the lawyers and Galloway-fans are all denying that anything was said.
And for once, the UN and the US Senate are in agreement...
Reply 93
JonathanH
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Seriously, you have got to learn what a QUOTATION is.
It does not say that the evidence was false, it reports that OTHER PEOPLE said it was false. The "neutral source" is reporting the claims of what is a very biased party, not saying from a neutral view that the evidence was false.
Seriously, do you not like... know how news works?

And anyway, I've been reading up on the interviews with Aziz. Apparently the first time they spoke to him he made a number of admissions regarding oil allocations to Galloway, this is both according to the Senate committee and the UN. However, in the second interview, Aziz had learned (probably through his lawyer) that his testimony may form part of a prosecution, and so tried to change his story and retract. Now Aziz, the lawyers and Galloway-fans are all denying that anything was said.
And for once, the UN and the US Senate are in agreement...


You are making exactly the same sort of assumptions yourself!

"Apparently, the first time they spoke to him....." and "However, in the second interview, Aziz had learned (probably through his lawyer) that his testimony may form part of a prosecution..."

How do you know that?

And what do you know of this man, personally?
yawn
You are making exactly the same sort of assumptions yourself!

The same sort of assumptions as who and in regards to what?

yawn
And what do you know of this man, personally?

Galloway? Apart from him being an immoral, terrorist-supporting, philandering, corrupt, traitorous ass?
Reply 95
JonathanH

Galloway? Apart from him being an immoral, terrorist-supporting, philandering, corrupt, traitorous ass?


No Galloway, not Bush
"No, you are!"
Seriously, can your side not to any better than playground responses, it seems to be your standard recourse these days...
Galloway? Apart from him being an immoral, terrorist-supporting, philandering, corrupt, traitorous ass?

And how is he terrorist supporting - these days people resort to insults without evidence... Please provide a source which says Galloway supports terrorists - oh wait you cant...
Reply 98
JonathanH
"No, you are!"
Seriously, can your side not to any better than playground responses, it seems to be your standard recourse these days...


mine was a playground response and your jibes at galloway wernt?
sorry i thought you were being serious about this, i dont have a 'side.'

How can you talk about not being childsih when all you are really interested in is protecting your 'side,' hardly an adult way to look at a discussion. Are you an mp? lol sorry. just joking

There is no point having a discussion with someone who has a 'side' because they'll never leave it for the truth.

so..over and out from me i guess
asadtamimi
And how is he terrorist supporting - these days people resort to insults without evidence... Please provide a source which says Galloway supports terrorists - oh wait you cant...

You say "oh wait you can't" without even giving me an opportunity to!
Galloway is in fact open with his support of palestinian terrorism and has referred to the terrorists suicide-bombing all and sundry in Iraq as "freedom fighters" and "martyrs". The man is not just a terrorism-apologist, but an outright supporer.

Adam83
mine was a playground response and your jibes at galloway wernt?

Actually, they were all grounded in real events. Whereas even the most ardent Bush-hater couldn't ground some of those when talking about Bush.

Adam83
sorry i thought you were being serious about this, i dont have a 'side.'

Of course you have a "side". Denying that is just silly. Look at your previous comment calling Bush all those things. But yeah, you don't have a side... :rolleyes:

Adam83
How can you talk about not being childsih when all you are really interested in is protecting your 'side,' hardly an adult way to look at a discussion. Are you an mp? lol sorry. just joking

All you're interested in is protecting your side and your views. Your political views constitute your "side", and I believe on many key issues they will be diametrically opposed to mine, as shown by your anti-Bush comment above. Thus pretending that you are some neutral entity is just absurd, because it's virtually impossible for someont to hold a neutral set of political views. I'm sorry to have to disabuse you of the idea that you are in the perfectly-neutral middle and everyone else is somehow "biased", but that's complete and utter rubbish.

Adam83
There is no point having a discussion with someone who has a 'side' because they'll never leave it for the truth.

You have a side too. You believe yours is the truth, I believe mine is the truth. You act like you are the arbiter of neutrality and truth and can see from a completely unbiased perspective and everyone else has some biased "side". That's clearly absolute b*ll*cks, you have just the same preconceptions, ideas and biases as everyone else, get the hell off your dream-cloud.

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