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Original post by Anonymous
Seriously, patronising overpaid Doctors that pry into your personal life, medications that **** you up, where you would have been happier off them but were forced into taking them, operations that get delayed for ages.
In me, a non-noticed broken wrist, causing my arm to heal completely at a bent angle, in my friend, blindness in one eye caused by an infection and their mistake a the hopsital, for which he gets no compensation. I'm sure there are similar stories.
In me, a non-noticed broken wrist, causing my arm to heal completely at a bent angle, in my friend, blindness in one eye caused by an infection and their mistake a the hopsital, for which he gets no compensation. I'm sure there are similar stories.
meh
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Original post by Anonymous
Seriously, patronising overpaid Doctors that pry into your personal life, medications that **** you up, where you would have been happier off them but were forced into taking them, operations that get delayed for ages.
In me, a non-noticed broken wrist, causing my arm to heal completely at a bent angle, in my friend, blindness in one eye caused by an infection and their mistake a the hopsital, for which he gets no compensation. I'm sure there are similar stories.
In me, a non-noticed broken wrist, causing my arm to heal completely at a bent angle, in my friend, blindness in one eye caused by an infection and their mistake a the hopsital, for which he gets no compensation. I'm sure there are similar stories.
Well my only problem is the amount of time they take to get you help, i had a lateral meniscus tear and they didn't do much for months on end until my operation does it really take 6+ months plus to solve such a problem.
They got to fix up their waiting list times
Oh yes, the NHS is obviously crap. I mean, who needs all that life saving treatment anyway? I'm sure doctors rejoice in maiming their patients and being landed with lawsuits, who doesn't? They're all closet sadists delighting in the pain of others! And what's with all the sick people? They make it such a drag.
The NHS, as outlined already, is flawed, but so is life. Mistakes will invariably happen and people may not get the right treatment straight away (or if at all) but in terms of ratios, for every mistake, there are literally dozens of benefits that outweigh it. You may have had a bad experience and loathe the health service with a passion, but tell that to Mr.X that is provided with vital anti-convulsant medication, or Mrs Y that is now able to walk again thanks to a hip replacement.
There's room for improvement, sure, but it's what we've got, and I think as a whole they're doing bloody well with the means at their disposal.
The NHS, as outlined already, is flawed, but so is life. Mistakes will invariably happen and people may not get the right treatment straight away (or if at all) but in terms of ratios, for every mistake, there are literally dozens of benefits that outweigh it. You may have had a bad experience and loathe the health service with a passion, but tell that to Mr.X that is provided with vital anti-convulsant medication, or Mrs Y that is now able to walk again thanks to a hip replacement.
There's room for improvement, sure, but it's what we've got, and I think as a whole they're doing bloody well with the means at their disposal.
Original post by Iqbal007
Well my only problem is the amount of time they take to get you help, i had a lateral meniscus tear and they didn't do much for months on end until my operation does it really take 6+ months plus to solve such a problem.
They got to fix up their waiting list times
They got to fix up their waiting list times
http://www.nhs.uk/news/2009/03March/Pages/NHSwaitingtimesQA.aspx
Original post by Anonymous
Seriously, patronising overpaid Doctors that pry into your personal life, medications that **** you up, where you would have been happier off them but were forced into taking them, operations that get delayed for ages.
In me, a non-noticed broken wrist, causing my arm to heal completely at a bent angle, in my friend, blindness in one eye caused by an infection and their mistake a the hopsital, for which he gets no compensation. I'm sure there are similar stories.
In me, a non-noticed broken wrist, causing my arm to heal completely at a bent angle, in my friend, blindness in one eye caused by an infection and their mistake a the hopsital, for which he gets no compensation. I'm sure there are similar stories.
I fully agree with all your comments. Doctors way over paid and ineffient purely there for the money. Pharmaceutical industry pouring drugs in like tommorow pharmacists more than happy to pass them on like gummy bears the whole things a sham.
Not I squire.
I luuuuuuuuuuuuuuve the NUSS.
I luuuuuuuuuuuuuuve the NUSS.
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Original post by lukas1051
It's not perfect, but it's free.
It's not free, we pay for it through our taxes.
Original post by DiZZeeKiD
The NHS is ****ed. The majority of Doctors genuinely don't care about their patients, you can tell it just by talking to them. Probably because most have been pushed into the profession by overbearing parents against their will.
Oh be quiet.
Original post by Mr Inquisitive
Just look at the American healthcare system before you criticise. It's not perfect, but it's not half bad either.
Shouldn't you look at a range of healthcare services in the developed world rather than just compare with the USA?
Original post by DiZZeeKiD
The NHS is ****ed. The majority of Doctors genuinely don't care about their patients, you can tell it just by talking to them. Probably because most have been pushed into the profession by overbearing parents against their will. It's the healthcare nurses etc that seem to show any sort of compassion and empathy to their patients. The level of incompetence I have experienced within hospitals is shocking. Binbags marked MRSA Infected left in hallways, Receptionists phoning patients to tell them to come in when they've been in the hospital for a week, staff giving sugar to diabetic patients because they haven't been trained to recognise the symbols on their boards. Shocking.
And yeah yeah, free healthcare and all that - it's not going to be fantastic but to be honest, when I have to pay nearly £8 for evey prescription I get I don't exactly class that as "free."
And yeah yeah, free healthcare and all that - it's not going to be fantastic but to be honest, when I have to pay nearly £8 for evey prescription I get I don't exactly class that as "free."
I wouldn't say that - I've had a GP that has been to my house 3 times, once for 90 mins so she could help my mum - she managed to arrange an ambulance transfer, calm my sister down and helped me organise my mum's hospital bags, medication before finally helping me tidy the house, giving me a hug and promising me she'd see me first thing the next morning (as she left our house at 9pm at night, having been helping my mum continually since 6pm). The same GP gave me a present when I went to uni, was in tears when I passed my exams and this summer told me how proud she was of me.
My other GP was in tears when I explained to her about my home situation, allows me to phone her during work hours and nearly always phones me back within two hours, once spent an hour with me filling in forms and has even once taken me in after working hours (once the surgery was shut) so she could sort out things for uni. If I phone her, she usually manages to squeeze me in the next day.
I've also seen many, many consultants, doctors (of all varities), nurses, ward sisters, play specialisits, auxuliries and receptionists, radiologists, dentists, orthodontists, pysiotherapists, occupational therapists, speech therapists, pyschologists, pyschiatrists, district nurses, specialist paediatricians - all of whom have been FAULTLESS.
Believe me - I have phoned NHS 24 dozens of times, I have been in A&E 5 times for me, countless times for my mum, countless ambulances for me and my mum, cardiology for my gran, urology for me and my mum, neurology for my mum and my sister, pyschiatry for my mum, sister and I, maxiolofacial surgery for me, pyschology for all three of us, ENT for all three of us, asthma clinics for my mum and sister, mental health for my mum and me, isolation and general illness wards for me, surgical wards for me and my sister, dermatology for my best friend, orthapaedics for me, minor surgery for me, learning disability services for my sister and I - I've twice had a problem. Once being the fault of a very tired and overworked GP and neurologist, once being a nurse who had very little training. I've never had any other serious problems - they do the best they can, with very little money and inadequate resources, and more often that not rude, abusive, drunk and plain idiotic patients.
My mum's also seen what they were like 20 years ago - i.e. nurses kicking her because she was taking seizures, a GP throwing a bucket of ice cold water over her for taking a seizure, a doctor giving her a tub of valium and telling her to have fun, a pyschiatrist telling her to eff off...
Yes - as I said, they do make mistakes but I genuinely think 99% of them do care, very well - why else would they be in such a difficult job?
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Original post by saffronFingers
My 6 year old cousin was repeatedly ill since she was born, puking all the time. As she got older, her skin was extremely pale, she hadn't grown at all for three years and spent most of her time in hospital.
For years, she had been with the NHS. The NHS did blood tests countless times and kept giving her antibiotics, but never figured out what was wrong.
My aunt was really worried and then had to save up and take her to a private clinic when she was six. After only one appointment, she was sent a letter that asked to speak with the family, and she was diagnosed with a serious case of coeliac disease.
Luckily, it could've been a lot worse, but it shocks me how the NHS had years and couldn't figure it out, when the private doctors did it instantly. I understand that we are really advantaged to have a free healthcare service that does help, but they make way too many mistakes and don't look into things deep enough ("Just take this medicine!").
Not everyone can afford to go private.
For years, she had been with the NHS. The NHS did blood tests countless times and kept giving her antibiotics, but never figured out what was wrong.
My aunt was really worried and then had to save up and take her to a private clinic when she was six. After only one appointment, she was sent a letter that asked to speak with the family, and she was diagnosed with a serious case of coeliac disease.
Luckily, it could've been a lot worse, but it shocks me how the NHS had years and couldn't figure it out, when the private doctors did it instantly. I understand that we are really advantaged to have a free healthcare service that does help, but they make way too many mistakes and don't look into things deep enough ("Just take this medicine!").
Not everyone can afford to go private.
NHS doctors and private doctors are one and the same for the most part. Most private doctors also work NHS. It was just the doctors you saw, not 'the NHS'.
Original post by DiZZeeKiD
The majority of Doctors genuinely don't care about their patients
This is bull****.
Original post by Tony_Soprano1
I fully agree with all your comments. Doctors way over paid and ineffient purely there for the money. Pharmaceutical industry pouring drugs in like tommorow pharmacists more than happy to pass them on like gummy bears the whole things a sham.
Doctors over paid?!?! They're are not paid enough. Savings peoples life day in day out , with a **** load of stress on their shoulders. It's so easy to judge I would like to see you walk in their shoes for a week.
Good idea lets tell drug companies to slow down making those life saving drugs.
Original post by Mbob
Shouldn't you look at a range of healthcare services in the developed world rather than just compare with the USA?
Most prevalent example currently, is what I was referring to.
Original post by lukas1051
It's not perfect, but it's free.
Well, free at the point of use.
It's one of the most costly services to the British taxpayer.
Original post by Tony_Soprano1
Doctors way over paid and ineffient purely there for the money.
Anyone intelligent enough to become a good doctor could earn a similar or more money in other professions. For the hours that a full-time doctor has to work, for the years of unpaid training, followed by badly paid training with insane hours (which has now changed due to the recent european work time directive) most doctors could certainly be earning much more, much earlier. They're not just there for the money.
There are bad doctors, but theres a lot of good ones too. And lets see what happens with a private system! Then you'll see overpaid doctors, just there for the money, milking every patient for all the money they can get.
They're certainly not underpaid after full training, I agree. Especially with the stupid GP contract a few years ago. But it's not an easy job, not even slightly. And pay less, you'll attract worse people to the job. And I, for one, don't mind paying more to attract better people into the career.
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Original post by DiZZeeKiD
The NHS is ****ed. The majority of Doctors genuinely don't care about their patients, you can tell it just by talking to them. Probably because most have been pushed into the profession by overbearing parents against their will. It's the healthcare nurses etc that seem to show any sort of compassion and empathy to their patients. The level of incompetence I have experienced within hospitals is shocking. Binbags marked MRSA Infected left in hallways, Receptionists phoning patients to tell them to come in when they've been in the hospital for a week, staff giving sugar to diabetic patients because they haven't been trained to recognise the symbols on their boards. Shocking.
And yeah yeah, free healthcare and all that - it's not going to be fantastic but to be honest, when I have to pay nearly £8 for evey prescription I get I don't exactly class that as "free."
And yeah yeah, free healthcare and all that - it's not going to be fantastic but to be honest, when I have to pay nearly £8 for evey prescription I get I don't exactly class that as "free."
Stop talking out of your arse. People who get pushed into medicine by their parents or are there for the status only usually fail the course before the end of first year. Never mind completing the other four years left, the 18hr days, the meagre pay for the first few years, no family life, the constant studying for tests well into their 50s or the emotional toll of working with patients. Medicine evolves constantly as scientists discover new processes and doctors who are only there "coz their parents forced them lol derp!!!!" will not last long.
£8 isn't even expensive. I'm sure you would rather pay £5000 like our American cousins do right? Stingy bitch.
Well i've never had the delight of suffering from any major illness so i've never first hand needed to see the NHS for serious treatment, but i'll give the case of my girlfriend to think about.
Pretty much last year this time, my girlfriend started getting abdominal pains that were getting more painful, she had already taken a few visits to doctors to see if they could figure out what was wrong, within a few months she had gotten into such pain she had to go to A&E to get some treatment. They diagnosed her with Pelvic Inflammatory Disease and threw her on IV antibiotics, after giving her a laproscopy. This basically means they couldn't figure out what was wrong with her (as PID could mean any number of things) and decided some antibiotics would help.
Fortunately, the problems did go away for a while, but they've been gradually returning (although the cause may or may not be the same) and from some instances the pain was enough to even wind her (i've witnessed it). She did start seeking doctors again around winter and lots of promises were made, she was put on waiting lists and booked up for blood tests and scans - months later. By this point, she's had blood tests (where up to a pint of blood was removed) and they've LOST her blood tests, making her have to go through them again, she's recently had a scan that has miraculously also gone missing, she was booked to see a senior doctor (she's only seen inexperienced juniors so far for a case where it's clear that the problem is not black or white) this month, but that's been moved back another November by the hospital, because you know, why not?
You know the best part? She still doesn't even know what's going on, an entire year later, she's neither received diagnosis or treatment and it's in an area of her body that potentially carries high risk for her future, with the last 'diagnosis' being PID it could affect the reproductive organs. This is also for a person that suffers from Bipolar, it's not going to be particularly easy going day in and day out not knowing what's going on with your body, and she's not even sure if she might be just imagining it and if she's just going crazy, she wonders if she'll ever have kids if things go on if they do...
It's mental how the NHS can just be so negligent as to let cases like this fly under their nose, and at the end of the day, they'll cite excuses like she's low priority, and people will be there to back the NHS. Sure it might be free, and that might seem noble, but in individual cases like these, can you be surprised why people are pissed off.
Pretty much last year this time, my girlfriend started getting abdominal pains that were getting more painful, she had already taken a few visits to doctors to see if they could figure out what was wrong, within a few months she had gotten into such pain she had to go to A&E to get some treatment. They diagnosed her with Pelvic Inflammatory Disease and threw her on IV antibiotics, after giving her a laproscopy. This basically means they couldn't figure out what was wrong with her (as PID could mean any number of things) and decided some antibiotics would help.
Fortunately, the problems did go away for a while, but they've been gradually returning (although the cause may or may not be the same) and from some instances the pain was enough to even wind her (i've witnessed it). She did start seeking doctors again around winter and lots of promises were made, she was put on waiting lists and booked up for blood tests and scans - months later. By this point, she's had blood tests (where up to a pint of blood was removed) and they've LOST her blood tests, making her have to go through them again, she's recently had a scan that has miraculously also gone missing, she was booked to see a senior doctor (she's only seen inexperienced juniors so far for a case where it's clear that the problem is not black or white) this month, but that's been moved back another November by the hospital, because you know, why not?
You know the best part? She still doesn't even know what's going on, an entire year later, she's neither received diagnosis or treatment and it's in an area of her body that potentially carries high risk for her future, with the last 'diagnosis' being PID it could affect the reproductive organs. This is also for a person that suffers from Bipolar, it's not going to be particularly easy going day in and day out not knowing what's going on with your body, and she's not even sure if she might be just imagining it and if she's just going crazy, she wonders if she'll ever have kids if things go on if they do...
It's mental how the NHS can just be so negligent as to let cases like this fly under their nose, and at the end of the day, they'll cite excuses like she's low priority, and people will be there to back the NHS. Sure it might be free, and that might seem noble, but in individual cases like these, can you be surprised why people are pissed off.
Original post by Tony_Soprano1
I fully agree with all your comments. Doctors way over paid and ineffient purely there for the money. Pharmaceutical industry pouring drugs in like tommorow pharmacists more than happy to pass them on like gummy bears the whole things a sham.
It doesnt take a genius to see that doctors work ridiculous hours under great stress and get paid no where near enough for what they do!
And to those moaning about mistakes doctors have made, they are only human! Also, they are trained up the same whether they chose to work for the NHS or private so its really nothing to do with the NHS.
Personally I've not got a problem with it, sure it has its flaws, but it's free! The waiting times have never been too bad in my or my family's experiences either. The only problem we've encountered is that my Gran turned up for her operation after turning down work (self-employed) and was sent home because they didnt have enough beds. Although it was explained that they had to book too many people in because that many people abuse the system by not turning up or not being prepared for the operation, so its more the public's fault really.
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