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'find the gradient of the curve y=sec3x at the point where x=π/9' (pi over 9)

I differentiated and got 2sec2xtan2x and then putting x in...
2 sec2(π/9)tan2(π/9) and it's not working, I'd also prefer working it out without a calculator, any help and tips please?

Also another Q i'm struggling with is
If y= 2x+3/x^1/2 what is dy/dx ?
I've differentiated and got 2x-3/2x^3/2 which is wrong :/

Steps and methods would be much appreciated with these 2 Qs, many many thanks :smile:
Original post by me_myself_and_I
'find the gradient of the curve y=sec3x at the point where x=π/9' (pi over 9)

I differentiated and got 2sec2xtan2x and then putting x in...
2 sec2(π/9)tan2(π/9) and it's not working, I'd also prefer working it out without a calculator, any help and tips please?

Also another Q i'm struggling with is
If y= 2x+3/x^1/2 what is dy/dx ?
I've differentiated and got 2x-3/2x^3/2 which is wrong :/

Steps and methods would be much appreciated with these 2 Qs, many many thanks :smile:


By sec3x do you mean sec3x\sec^3 x or sec3x\sec 3x?
Original post by TheMagicMan
By sec3x do you mean sec3x\sec^3 x or sec3x\sec 3x?


the 2nd one :smile:
Original post by me_myself_and_I
the 2nd one :smile:


Do you know the identity dydx=dydu×dudx\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{dy}{du} \times \frac{du}{dx}?

If so, make the substitution u=3xu=3x. It should become a lot clearer from there.
Original post by TheMagicMan
Do you know the identity dydx=dydu×dudx\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{dy}{du} \times \frac{du}{dx}?

If so, make the substitution u=3xu=3x. It should become a lot clearer from there.


isn't it differentiated 2sec2xtan2x ?
Original post by me_myself_and_I
isn't it differentiated 2sec2xtan2x ?


No. What is the differential of secx \sec x with respect to x?
Original post by me_myself_and_I
isn't it differentiated 2sec2xtan2x ?


well if you do y=sec3x

and let y=secU, U=3x

dy/dU=secUtanU and dU/dx=3

therefore, dy/dx=3secUtanU

then use the subsititution: dy/dx= 3sex3xtan3x
(edited 12 years ago)
Original post by -Illmatic-
well if you do y=sec3x

and let y=secU, U=3x

dy/dU=secUtanU and dU/dx=3

therefore, dy/dx=3xsecUtanU+3secU

then use the subsititution: y=3xsec3xtan3x+3sec3x


What does this mean? ddxsec3x\frac {d}{dx} \sec 3x looks nothing like that :confused:
Original post by TheMagicMan
What does this mean? ddxsec3x\frac {d}{dx} \sec 3x looks nothing like that :confused:


My bad: editted
Original post by -Illmatic-
My bad: editted


For a minute there I thought I had woefully misread the question and that I was being utterly unhelpful :tongue:
Original post by TheMagicMan
For a minute there I thought I had woefully misread the question and that I was being utterly unhelpful :tongue:


My fault!
Original post by -Illmatic-
well if you do y=sec3x

and let y=secU, U=3x

dy/dU=secUtanU and dU/dx=3

therefore, dy/dx=3secUtanU

then use the subsititution: dy/dx= 3sex3xtan3x



Original post by TheMagicMan
Do you know the identity dydx=dydu×dudx\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{dy}{du} \times \frac{du}{dx}?

If so, make the substitution u=3xu=3x. It should become a lot clearer from there.


doh! I meant a 3 where I put the 2s!!!!! -_- I think that's the same answer I got :smile: Many thanks guys, v. much appreciated :biggrin:
Original post by me_myself_and_I
doh! I meant a 3 where I put the 2s!!!!! -_- I think that's the same answer I got :smile: Many thanks guys, v. much appreciated :biggrin:


Fair enough! No problem :smile: its silly mistakes which will be the death of me :tongue:

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