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TOK essay (Christopher Hitchens's quote) do you agree?

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The fact that mental activity or rumination is entirely determined by the physical processes of the brain.
Original post by Publius
The fact that mental activity or rumination is entirely determined by the physical processes of the brain.


Yeah... no.

Aside from the classical Platonic stance and the branches of Cartesian Dualism that contest this there are also schools of Emergent Materialism (see Sean Sayers et al.) and Extended Cognitive Functionalism (Wheeler et al. ) which have developed in response to this problem. The claim that all mind activity is determined only by material phenomena is - to put it mildy - hotly contested. That approach is unable to provide an adequate conceptual model of cognition on any level other than "what can we measure hurr durr", which is a fairly low level approach to take to the problem.
Reply 22
Original post by ThePhilosoraptor
Yeah... no.

Aside from the classical Platonic stance and the branches of Cartesian Dualism that contest this there are also schools of Emergent Materialism (see Sean Sayers et al.) and Extended Cognitive Functionalism (Wheeler et al. ) which have developed in response to this problem. The claim that all mind activity is determined only by material phenomena is - to put it mildy - hotly contested. That approach is unable to provide an adequate conceptual model of cognition on any level other than "what can we measure hurr durr", which is a fairly low level approach to take to the problem.


Not be any respectable scientist it isn't.

The number of potential neuronal circuits in the brain greatly exceeds even the number of atoms in the universe, and you seem to think there a need for non-material activities of the mind also? Please.
Original post by Publius
Not be any respectable scientist it isn't.

The number of potential neuronal circuits in the brain greatly exceeds even the number of atoms in the universe, and you seem to think there a need for non-material activities of the mind also? Please.


That's like saying dualism is not disputed by any respectable Cartesian. The reason these claims are disputed is because the scientific model presumes monism to begin with (a methodological flaw) and the explanations it can offer are not an accurate model of the process at work. Science is not definitive in these matters, and in this particular case, pretty unhelpful.
Reply 24
It's pretty good at explaining brain function better than anything antecedent to it, and it is pretty good at recognising that when parts of the brain are physically damaged, it completely changes the functioning of the mind.
Original post by Publius
It's pretty good at explaining brain function better than anything antecedent to it, and it is pretty good at recognising that when parts of the brain are physically damaged, it completely changes the functioning of the mind.


That doesn't mean that dualistic schema are done with. What it has established is that there is a material component to the mind; which is something most dualists are quite happy with anyway.

Can I recommend having a look at "The Extended Mind" by Richard Menary (Ed.)? It's quite an interesting look at some of these problems and all the writers in their are very involved with the cognitive science side of things. The general thrust of the argument is based on trying to explain the processes of consciousness that are not dependent

1 - upon a specific mind
2 - upon purely material functions within a given mind

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