Labour supporting Duncan Smith in defending slave work at Poundland

"Being made to work" doesn't ring any bells whatsoever.

The point is that the comparisons to slavery and Nazi labour camps are absurd and obscene. Those benefits were paid for by someone else who had no say in the matter; are we going to compare those people to slaves too? If someone farts in an elevator should we compare them to Hitler for gassing a room full of people?

Did I say it was slavery?

You have to stop this habit of putting words in my mouth. Its most unbecoming.

You do know that's what we're talking about don't you?

Did I say you said it was slavery?

..if you are physically unable to complete that work then you are likely disabled.

"Being made to work" doesn't ring any bells whatsoever.

If someone farts in an elevator should we compare them to Hitler for gassing a room full of people?

Who said anything about being "physically unable to complete the work"?

I said that a physically unfit 55 year old may find stacking shelves, lifting stock etc all day quite hard work, not that they were physically incapable of doing it. Being 55 years old and physically unfit does not render one "disabled".



Well it should do because it has been pointed out to you on several occasions that that the DWP schemes have been ruled in a court of law to be, in effect, mandatory (as in compulsory, forced, 'made to' etc) and thus illegal, which is why Cait Reilly and Jamieson Wilson won their cases and why the government is seeking to apply retrospective legislation.

You are either being deliberately obtuse or you are cognitively deficient.

It's what you're talking about, it's not what's happening.

Who said anything about being "physically unable to complete the work"?

I said that a physically unfit 55 year old may find stacking shelves, lifting stock etc all day quite hard work, not that they were physically incapable of doing it. Being 55 years old and physically unfit does not render one "disabled"

And I don't think that somebody with those characteristics has ever been forced to stack shelves in Poundland. You should stop getting so annoyed, it's just the internet. You can't blame me for the fact that you choose to misunderstand basic terms. There's a big difference between being made to work and being told that if you don't work you won't receive money. The former implies force and a lack of choice, and isn't what is happening. Seeing things for what they actually are isn't a cognitive deficiency.

People aren't being forced to work under threat of benefit sanctions? You're wrong.

But that's not what you originally said, is it?

Ahhhh, you're one of those "freedom to starve" freaks. That explains it.

Yes it is. Are you drunk?

True, they may find it hard, but so could a physically unfit 20 year old. I don't see why finding something to be hard work is a problem?

Ahhhh, you're one of those "freedom to steal" freaks. That explains it.

No, I can read though, and that's not what you said.