Does mainstream porn really represent the desires of men?

Any post which starts with "trigger warning" subscribes to the militant feminist agenda whether you purport to or not.

Not every woman has read fifty shades of grey but you'd be hard pushed to find a man who hasn't watched porn. And basically watching porn equates to seeing violent misogynistic material, even if that's not what you visited the site to watch. It slaps you in the face as soon as you enter the site, and that's what I don't like. And i don't like the idea of women thinking that men who watch porn ie the vast majority of men, enjoy those images.

Oh as someone reminded me, wth was the 'trigger warning' for?
And yes, but there is sub/dom below BDSM, and I would say that is not. Just a guy generally being in control is dom, but that's not BDSM.
And they don't react.. because it's based around the natural sub/dom, plus it's not even meant to be realistic.
As someone said it's exaggerated which any good show is.

No it doesn't.

Stop posting such stupid nonsense, or at least don't do it anonymously.

There was some graphic description so just in case someone didn't want to read about frank descriptions of porn.. just a precaution really.
Natural sub/dom? Not sure I like the word 'natural' here, plays into gender roles about women being passive which aren't true for everyone, although I understand the point about exaggeration.

First off, theres nothing wrong with a bit of hair pulling etc, its all just personal preference. I agree a lot of porn seems aggressive, but as you said you are desensitised so quickly that it just keeps evolving and getting edgier, like everything in life. I think as a genre, porn has developed a lot, and is moving away from that stuff anyway as it becomes more mainstream/interlinked with popular culture, instagram, tumblr etc. The desires of men or women can't be labelled quite so black and white, its different strokes for different folks, excuse the pun.

Does Fifty Shades of Grey really represent the desires of women?

I didn't say everyone which is the point I made before, but it is more prevalent. Then for those who prefer alternate situations, there is the whoooooolllleee rest of the porn world to choose from.

The whooollee of the rest of the porn world, so the other 20% of videos which don't contain aggressive acts?

This.





Fifty Shades of Grey is a huge misunderstanding, it's an ignorant and uneducated look into a d/s relationship and bdsm as a whole and does NOT represent even the bdsm community it is trying to get itself into, let alone the entire gender of the protagonist.

Never, ever think that this book is a correct representation of a true d/s dynamic. Or of good literature. Or anything apart from a pile of crap that shouldn't have been written.

So what if it is violent and shocking? Men make up a vast majority of paying customers in the porn industry therefore it is sculpted to match the needs and desires of men.

If more women were consumers then it would be more leaned towards the desires of women.

Same with men's magazines and the gaming industry. For the same reason you won't see weapon reviews, choke out techniques and a beef jerky sample with Cosmopolitan magazines. Because women are the target audience and are the main source of funding for it.

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I think people are missing the OP's point.

What people fail to realise is how a lot of things simultaneously influence and reflect societal values and culture.

He gave an extreme example, in that he went on a site about submissive females and violent sex. However porn DOES most often portray women as sexual objects who are there as sex toys for men. I mean some women like this, and so if this is kept to the bedroom on its own then that's fine. However the op is saying that it may not simply be kept to the bedroom, which I think there may be a lot of evidence in favour of this idea. Women are often objectified in real life in the same way as they are in porn. Therefore, op is not saying that the porn causes people to be objectified, but rather this objectification has become our view of women and sex. This objectification leads back to the idea that men have to be alpha and powerful to be a real man. This is what society believes to be the 'norm', but actually it is a norm that is constructed by society these days and leads to all sorts of polarisation of women and men's roles in society. Women are submissive and less powerful. Men as dominant and powerful. This basically causes a lot of the gender issues we see for both males and females these days and porn is a good reflection of these deep desires.

I feel like I'm being misunderstood a bit. I didn't want to say imply that sub/dom desires are wrong, of course they aren't - just that they are perhaps overrepresented and become an expected part of sex. The last thing we want is for young men to think 'this is what sex is, I must act on a girl in this way' and for young women to think 'oh god I'm gonna have to let him try anal on me'. There is obligation to do anything in the bedroom, but the overwhelming majority of porn presents male/female sex in this way. Adults who understand relationships and sex can look at porn with a slightly cynical view and understand it's not real, but what about teenage girls and boys who don't get that? That's where the damage gets done.

I know.

I was doing a PSA on the awful book, but it wasn't directed to you, hence not quoting you in.

I do agree with you, in both the sentiment you're expressing and that people seem to have misunderstood it. It's very good that you're aware of this side of porn. Unfortunately, there's not a whole lot to do - this won't change in our generation, because porn wiggles its way into loopholes of morality, and by using the kink as an excuse there's no real reprieve.

And he's saying that maybe these 'needs and desires of men' are a reflection of a wider societal issue. Your point isn't addressing what he is saying.