Brown people on tsr do you think white people are naturally racist ?

First, I never claimed IQ differences were genetic anywhere in my post.


Second, for once I agree with you. There are big genetic differences between a Yoruba, a Dinka, a Xhosa and a Pygmy. Using the term 'black' is an inaccuracy, one used out of convenience, but it should probably be avoided. I will clarify to say this: the scientific evidence shows very clearly that there exists, for African Americans in the United States, a group difference in IQ to whites in the US. For any other population groups outside the US, whether black or not, I don't think there's sufficient literature to make such a claim as yet.


Third, a simple definition of human race would be the clusters found when applying the k-means algorithm to genetic polymorphism data.

I don 't know, I believe from reading on the subject (I can not believe you are telling me about not reading on a subject to be honest) that the racial differences in IQ are not because black people are genetically less intelligent. That is my own interpretation of the subject, many academics share this view otherwise I would not have been able to read it. To be honest I don't want to get in to a nature Vs nurture debate on here because it is invariably ridiculous.

My concept of morality worrying ?

Racism is a systematic way of harming people of another group AND that requires POWER and SYSTEMS and the collective agreement by that racist group to support and participate in the mistreatment of people outside that group

The ONLY people on the planet who systematically exhibit these kind of BEHAVIORS toward people JUST because they look different — no matter where they go — from North America to Africa to New Zealand and Australia and back to the UK - are white people

I did not call you a nazi, I think those views remind me of ones held by nazis, that is the view that the black population has not succeeded because of their IQ. I didn't think that was even a thing? I have read a bit on racial inequalities and have never come across such an idea.

I did indeed get confused, I apologise I was thinking of those who think there is massive differences between races when there is not.

I however have researched IQ and I do not believe that there is a massive genetic difference. I think there is a lot of evidence to support the hypothesis that cultural/economic etc. reasons cause this difference. There is evidence both sides so don't act as if I can not come back with plenty of studies also.

I have based my opinions from reading as have you so obviously we both have some ideological bias.

http://www.sciencedirect.com.ezproxy.uwe.ac.uk/science/article/pii/S0160289602000806

Any neurologist would advise you against using IQ test as a sole intelligence measure. Any geneticist would explain to you that

A) IQ and genetic markers have almost no correlation

White people in the USA said that African Americans were dumb long before the IQ test was invented.

So the idea that it's only because of IQ that they believe this does not wash

If Black (AA's) are not a homogeneous group then how can you make sweeping statements about a group with such diversity ?

If you choose to call the differences in groups “races” it stretches the original meaning of the word. But let’s accept that for a moment. You want races so badly, then I shall give them to you.

But you’re going to need more races (based on genetic variance) than they culled off in the past centuries. And the races won’t be arbitrarily colour-coordinated. There will be several, several 100's, if not thousands of European races, many Asian races, and a large number of African races, whites with blacks and Asians.

In neurology no one takes IQ seriously

It is archaic and only really useful to social scientists. Neurologists who have a better understanding of how the brain works because they spend decades of their lives studying it have little to no use for it, but to the public at large it is so important. Because the public is only concerned with what feels like it should be true rather than what is actually the case in reality.

Any neurologist would advise you against using IQ test as a sole intelligence measure. Any geneticist would explain to you that

A) IQ and genetic markers have almost no correlation

B) That it is moronic to take one set of genes (the Haplogroup, or what we can "see" as 'color'), and correlate it with something unmeasurable genetically because it's polygenic and that the few "poly genes" we are familiar with that may correlate with intelligence are in sets of genes completely different, unrelated and randomly changing at around the same rate in all Haplos.

The irony is Alfred Binet who created IQ originally did it to see which children weren’t profiting from the Parisian school system, not so that they could be labelled stupid but so new educational programs could be created to help those children.

In fact he was afraid that his tests would be misused for the wrong reasons, that guy must have been psychic because once some people got a hold of it, it took on a whole new meaning.

I think brown people are far more racist than White ones.

You are just making things up, please stop. IQ tests are widely used in the genetics and neuroscience literature for correlating genes and brain function to general intelligence

http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/v16/n10/full/mp201185a.html
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v482/n7384/abs/nature10781.html
http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/v17/n10/abs/mp201266a.html
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289614000178
http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/v19/n2/full/mp2012184a.html

Your concept of morality is worrying not because of your racism towards white people, but because you think that your 'eye for an eye' mentality justifies those beliefs.

Secondly, what you've described in the quote is not racism. What you've described is racial inequality. Racism is simply any discrimination or prejudice against someone because of their race. It's only relation to equality is incidental. Nowhere in the definition of racism are inequality, systematic abuse or power systems involved. Stop obscuring the lines between racism and racial inequality to make modern white people responsible for the sins of their forebears. That's not a basis for justice or morality. Unless you think jailing someone because their father was a criminal is justifiable, in which case we need to have a different discussion.

Lastly, your claim that racial inequality (as you call is, racism) occurs only due to white people is obviously bogus. Racism occurs all over the world. It's just generally an internal affair within countries, rather than global news. Hence you don't hear about it. Look at the Rwandan genocide - black people committing racial genocide against other black people just for their race. It's not a white problem, and the sooner you realise that, the better.

I can't access your link :/.

I really don't go in for ideological bias. I'm a mathematician by training, we don't tend to go for 'argument by ideology' . I have no a priori imperative to believe that races have different IQs, but nor do I have any overriding bogus 'moral' or 'equity' reasoning to say that they must be the same (not saying you do).

Clearly you've looked at the same evidence and come to a different conclusion, or perhaps we've looked at different subsets of evidence. I'm always happy to see more evidence for and against an issue, so if there's any particular studies that you think strongly support your views, please PM them to me (or post on here if you prefer, but I reckon the thread would get clogged pretty badly).

Just look at history ,white people are the worst kind of human being in the world all they did was stealing/lying/rewriting history....