I am amazed at how lax so many students are over their very expensive possessions
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Original post by Caedus
The insult I dished out earlier was an observation that had no bearing on your argument, therefore it was not an ad hominem attack. As you're oblivious of what an ad hominem is, and you haven't the faintest idea of semantics—I suggest you avoid such subjects as philosophy.
Seems like you just experienced l'esprit de l'escalier.
Ad hominem - "(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining".
Ad hominem describes an informal fallacy directed against the person, it is always irrelevant of the argument. Your insult was used to refute my argument, it is therefore an ad hominem response. I'm not even going to bother going into the latter part of your reply.
Original post by Lelcats
Seems like you just experienced l'esprit de l'escalier.
Ad hominem - "(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining".
Ad hominem describes an informal fallacy directed against the person, it is always irrelevant of the argument. Your insult was used to refute my argument, it is therefore an ad hominem response. I'm not even going to bother going into the latter part of your reply.
Ad hominem - "(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining".
Ad hominem describes an informal fallacy directed against the person, it is always irrelevant of the argument. Your insult was used to refute my argument, it is therefore an ad hominem response. I'm not even going to bother going into the latter part of your reply.
I can quite understand that, but what you fail to see is that it wasn't part of my argument. Lord help you if you can't decipher between an insult and an ad hominem. I shan't waste another moment on an ignoramus like you.
Hopefully, the vast majority of them will have left it there in the presence of a friend working nearby or something?
Either way I can't relate to being lax with possessions. My guitar comes in the bloody bog cubicle with me. 2K is NOT sitting outside in the ladies' lavs, thanks very much.
Either way I can't relate to being lax with possessions. My guitar comes in the bloody bog cubicle with me. 2K is NOT sitting outside in the ladies' lavs, thanks very much.
Original post by MancStudent098
Strikes me as odd that people will be very vehement about not victim blaming for certain crimes, but when it comes to theft everyone is like 'yeah, they left a thing unattended, not sympathetic/serves them right'.
What kind of ****ty society do we live in where having your possessions stolen is taken to be an inevitable and just result of not watching them constantly.
What kind of ****ty society do we live in where having your possessions stolen is taken to be an inevitable and just result of not watching them constantly.
As a general rule, I find it's girls who are the most lax and careless about their expensive possessions. It's like they literally have no concept of security. I sometimes overhear conversations in the library of people who have lost their debit card and phone on a night out and strangely, it's always a girl who is saying this.
Its pretty hard to nick something in full view of everyone in the library you know. Phones and wallets I understand, and I take mine with me. But my macbook, not really. Decency wouldn't allow the people around to let a thief get away with taking it. I don't ask people to look after it either. Worst case scenario we have to check cctv but the way things are electronically monitored these days I'd find my macbook in a few seconds. You'd be a bit of a wally to steal a laptop from a full library.
If its quite empty however I will take all my stuff.
To be honest, if it bothers you so much, why don't you steal it? Don't want to? Mind your own business :s
If its quite empty however I will take all my stuff.
To be honest, if it bothers you so much, why don't you steal it? Don't want to? Mind your own business :s
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The only time this has annoyed me was when I went to another uni library and despite there being literally no seats (took half an hour to find a place to work due to how packed it was) people would reserve spots by sticking their laptops and macs as a substitute for them. All I was thinking is "that's VERY brave"
Original post by brownbearxo
Its pretty hard to nick something in full view of everyone in the library you know. Phones and wallets I understand, and I take mine with me. But my macbook, not really. Decency wouldn't allow the people around to let a thief get away with taking it. I don't ask people to look after it either. Worst case scenario we have to check cctv but the way things are electronically monitored these days I'd find my macbook in a few seconds. You'd be a bit of a wally to steal a laptop from a full library.
If its quite empty however I will take all my stuff.
To be honest, if it bothers you so much, why don't you steal it? Don't want to? Mind your own business :s
If its quite empty however I will take all my stuff.
To be honest, if it bothers you so much, why don't you steal it? Don't want to? Mind your own business :s
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Original post by Bassetts
There wasn't anyone who could see me, apart from potentially some people a bit further away who were working together and were distracted anyway. I was shielded by a barrier. I could have easily got up, pretended I was rummaging around in my bag, and quickly stolen the stuff. The only thing that possibly could have got me caught was CCTV, if there even is CCTV and it had been looked at. Do you really think people will care/observe enough to go out of their way to stop a normal looking person who is innocently leaving the library with what appears to be their stuff?
True. You can't actually tell if the person is studying alone.
But from my experience when the library is very full, its normally because its exam/coursework period and people are busy studying, so really there aren't any thieves about. I do think people will go out of their way though, at my uni there seems to be a sense of solidarity as soon as its clear you're doing actual work, not just socialising. I certainly would, even if only to tell the person when they return that someone has been at their stuff. If they had friends with them perhaps not but if its clear they were alone then I'd be quite cautious. Bear in mind I only ever stay at the silent study area so I'm not talking about more communal places. id never leave my stuff there.
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Original post by Old_Simon
The first principle of war - and life in general - is never get separated from your kit 
Incidentally also the first rule of skinnydipping
Original post by brownbearxo
Its pretty hard to nick something in full view of everyone in the library you know. Phones and wallets I understand, and I take mine with me. But my macbook, not really. Decency wouldn't allow the people around to let a thief get away with taking it. I don't ask people to look after it either. Worst case scenario we have to check cctv but the way things are electronically monitored these days I'd find my macbook in a few seconds. You'd be a bit of a wally to steal a laptop from a full library.
If its quite empty however I will take all my stuff.
To be honest, if it bothers you so much, why don't you steal it? Don't want to? Mind your own business :s
If its quite empty however I will take all my stuff.
To be honest, if it bothers you so much, why don't you steal it? Don't want to? Mind your own business :s
You're putting a lot of faith in this theory.
Original post by TurboCretin
You're putting a lot of faith in this theory.
I realised that after I typed it lol. Ive been here four years and it has served me well ha
Original post by Aivicore
Hopefully, the vast majority of them will have left it there in the presence of a friend working nearby or something?
Either way I can't relate to being lax with possessions. My guitar comes in the bloody bog cubicle with me. 2K is NOT sitting outside in the ladies' lavs, thanks very much.
Either way I can't relate to being lax with possessions. My guitar comes in the bloody bog cubicle with me. 2K is NOT sitting outside in the ladies' lavs, thanks very much.
You'd be very surprised. I've seen groups of friends occupying a whole table to leave in unison to go for lunch somewhere, leaving all their laptops, iPads and everything else.
Original post by Lilabong
I'm one of 'them' who leaves their possessions unattended... never had anything stolen 
Hey, I wasn't boasting or anything just admitting I have too much trust in my surroundings lol, so I think your little prophecy was totally uncalled for. This thread has made me more aware, but a good way to prevent theft of your expensive possessions is to not have them that expensive - old models are usually just as good as the brand new ones with hardly any updates?
There seems to be a lot of victim blaming in this thread. People should be able to leave their possessions wherever they want without people playing harsh pranks on them or saying:
It increases the chance their things might get stolen, but they're not "asking for it", they do not "deserve" to have their things stolen or be victims of crime.
People who are bothered by or get judgemental over this kind of thing don't make any sense to me.
Original post by alis-volatpropriis
I hate people like that.
It increases the chance their things might get stolen, but they're not "asking for it", they do not "deserve" to have their things stolen or be victims of crime.
People who are bothered by or get judgemental over this kind of thing don't make any sense to me.
Well, if people do not take care of their things and they go missing... Then they should hopefully learn a lesson.
You would never leave your house with your windows open and door unlocked, so why would you leave a phone or laptop sitting out in the open? Hopefully no one would steal it, but I know quite a few people who I think would take an opportunity and swipe it if they knew there was little chance of getting caught.
University is about life lessons aswell as study, so maybe being careless and getting something stolen is what it will take to teach these people a lesson.
You would never leave your house with your windows open and door unlocked, so why would you leave a phone or laptop sitting out in the open? Hopefully no one would steal it, but I know quite a few people who I think would take an opportunity and swipe it if they knew there was little chance of getting caught.
University is about life lessons aswell as study, so maybe being careless and getting something stolen is what it will take to teach these people a lesson.
Original post by miser
There seems to be a lot of victim blaming in this thread. People should be able to leave their possessions wherever they want without people playing harsh pranks on them or saying:
It increases the chance their things might get stolen, but they're not "asking for it", they do not "deserve" to have their things stolen or be victims of crime.
People who are bothered by or get judgemental over this kind of thing don't make any sense to me.
It increases the chance their things might get stolen, but they're not "asking for it", they do not "deserve" to have their things stolen or be victims of crime.
People who are bothered by or get judgemental over this kind of thing don't make any sense to me.
No one deserves to be a victim of crime, however, it's also rather clear to me that people must take responsibility for their own possessions. There are certainly enough posters within university libraries warning students and such that possessions do, on a daily basis, get stolen.
During the first half of my degree I actually used to leave my stuff. I have no idea how seeing as I'm really paranoid now. I think I saw sense when a girl in the library told me she heard there had been a few laptops being stolen recently and since then I always take everything with me.
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Original post by Caedus
No one deserves to be a victim of crime, however, it's also rather clear to me that people must take responsibility for their own possessions. There are certainly enough posters within university libraries warning students and such that possessions do, on a daily basis, get stolen.
Who says that by leaving something unattended they're not taking responsibility for their own possessions? Either they have a different conception of the risk involved in leaving items unattended, or they're comfortable with taking on that risk - neither of which imply irresponsibility.
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