Integration - What are they on about?

Howard

Why is integration such a big thing anyway? What's so good about it? It doesn't worry me if muslims want to live in isolated pockets throughout the country one bit. On the contrary.

Exactly I don't get the big deal either.

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Bismarck

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Howard

So in summary then you do not agree with me that muslims should be allowed to live segregated lives (to one extreme or another) if that's what they want and should instead be forced to integrate for their own good. What would be the methods and means of this compulsary integration that you would recommend?

Integration should be strongly encouraged, as the price of a lack of it are French-type riots and 7/7. If people from a certain part of the world refuse to integrate, immigration from those areas should be severely restricted. Some degree of national cohesion is necessary for national security.

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Bismarck

Integration should be strongly encouraged, as the price of a lack of it are French-type riots and 7/7. If people from a certain part of the world refuse to integrate, immigration from those areas should be severely restricted. Some degree of national cohesion is necessary for national security.

How are they to integrate? And do they not already do so? Muslim children go to state schools don't they? State universities? Jobs are open to Muslim candidates are they not? What are you looking for here exactly - marriages between Muslims and native Brits?

Do London's Jews integrate? DTF! They all live in places like Golders Green and mix amongst themselves. So if it's good for London's Jews why not Bradford's Muslims.

And have you ever stopped to ask yourself whether the host nation actually wants the level of integration you are prescribing. Do predominantly white middle class secular neighbourhoods want or need these "dirt poor" (I think that was your choice of words) and highly volatile, non English speaking Bangladeshis living next door? Do the people of the quant Hertfordhire village of Preston need, want, or desire, a transplant of Pakistani families from the Lancashire town of Preston?

I think this is a case of "what a wonderful world this would be so long as its not in my back yard"

Reply 46

Happyness

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Throw away THEIR culture? What about our culture - the British culture? Our country is getting fulled up with mosques, our signs are being written in a secondary language (hindi or whatever the hell they speak)..

Sorry, but that statement is just pure ignorant. If they don't like our culture and they dont want to intergrate into OUR society - then why are they here? They're using this country.

1) you are a ****ing hypocrite. As it you who is ignorant. You dont know that the faith of a person doesnt dictate what language one speaks.

2) Secondly, there are british born muslims; where the hell are they meant to go?

3) They are using in as much as you do, and have the same rights as you. Therefore, they have the right to make a decision if they want to, or not want to integrate into "society". Taking Margeret Thatcher's perspective, i believe there is NO society.

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Bismarck

I live in a neighborhood that's almost 50% immigrant, and in a city that's 40% immigrant. I also went to an undergrad university that was about 60% immigrant.

So? Is it compulsary for everybody to want to live as you do?

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Bismarck

If they lived next door, they wouldn't be dirt poor or highly volatile. Those characteristics are functions of them not integrating. There is no inherent reason why a Pakistani or a Bengali can't integrate as much into British society as a Saxon or a Norman.

Is it only white Anglo-Saxon/Norman society that needs to embrace integration with the muslim community of do other "micro-societies" need to be doing the same.

Do you think Britain's Jewish community ought also to be integrating with "dirt poor" Bangladeshis or is it just something that "white folks" need to do?

Reply 49

Bismarck

How many people prefer constant terrorist attacks to living near a Muslim?

Don't be ridiculous. How pathetic.

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Benchmark

Bismarck

How many people prefer constant terrorist attacks to living near a Muslim?

I doubt any sane individual would. But I don't think you can really say even in the post 9/11 years that we have 'constant terrorist attacks.'

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_jackofdiamonds

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Every religious person is an unnecessary threat, not just Muslims. If Muslims must integrate, they all have to integrate. No more segregated schooling for any religion.

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Bismarck

See above.

I have looked above and you are not answering my question.

Reply 53

Bismarck

Stop being intentionally obtuse. You know full well that a lack of integration is directly responsible for the terrorist attacks. The Muslims in the US are far better integrated, and only a handful would even consider attacking the US.

No I don't. WTF are you talking about? Did you not see the suicide tapes of the 7/7 bombers? Young muslim men, born and bred in the country, speaking in broad Yorkshire accents; the product of typical British education and backgrounds and well experienced an acustomed to British culture. These people were integrated. In fact at least one of them was a recent convert to Islam (as are two or three of the more recently arrested plotters) so lets have no more silliness here. When I see these young men I am not struck by how unintegrated they are.

Reply 54

Damn the 14 people rep rule! That post is rep worthy (as are many of Howard's when he isn't talking about religion).

Reply 55

naivesincerity

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what 14 people can't rep the same post? or the same person in one time period?

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If you rep a person, you have to rep 14 more people before you can rep the same person again. Change in the rules.

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_jackofdiamonds

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Bismarck

Stop being such a relativist. All religions are not equally threatening. When's the last time you heard of a fundamentalist Buddhist or Jew killing someone for religious reasons in Britain?

You can't have it all ways. Buddhists may appear fluffy, until they are segregated and another Aum Shinrikyo comes along. There are some Jews so segregated they are born in Britain and live in Stamford Hill yet have Yiddish accents, easy pickings for one person with big ideas. All non-atheistic religions base themselves in unsubstantiated beliefs, and any religion can spawn fanatics who pose a threat if these people are pushed just a little further into other unsubstantiated ideas.
To me, the idea that someone of one religion can berate someone of another is laughable. Sometimes I actually laugh out loud. If you want proof of the lurking danger, then look at the 'Would you kill if God asked you to' thread. If I had my way everyone who answered 'yes' in that thread would be locked up, sectioned, away from society. All it would need is for one person to interpret a sign as being from God to kill people, and for their 'faith' to override rational thinking that it could be drugs or epilepsy or any other provable thing, and you'd have carnage. Religion = danger.

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