If the General Election was tomorrow who would you vote for?

He's shown the source in the past and the figure is real but misrepresented. It's simply the total number of crimes relative to the population at the time, if every criminal committed 2 crimes for example then that figure would be ~17% so the figure's probably closer to 20% at the the time than 30%.

Ok mate- Romania has no culture of crime :wink:

Twenty Romanian police officers are working with Paris police to clamp down on criminals from their country in the French capital over the Christmas period. They join 10 liaison officers who have been stationed here all year.

The scheme was launched after statistics showed a 78 per cent rise in the number of Romanians arrested in the city of Paris and a 50 per cent rise in the whole region in 2011, according to the prefecture of police.

http://www.english.rfi.fr/visiting-france/20131207-romanian-police-christmas-patrol-paris

Romania has no crime culture- nothing to see here...... move along.

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Midlander

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Original post by billydisco

The fact you require a source to believe Romania has a crime culture doesn't bode well for you....

Do you see people complaining about the Dutch? The Norwegians? The Italians? The Belgians?

No, its always the Eastern Europeans- and its for a reason......

I've seen people complain about British tourists acting like ********s quite a lot.

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Fullofsurprises

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Original post by billydisco

Whats up darling? Hoping I don't have one?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9896121/Up-to-one-in-three-Romanians-arrested-figures-show.html

There was a lot of debate following that Telegraph story, they heavily distorted the figures.
http://www.migrantsrights.org.uk/migration-pulse/2013/telegraph-twist-lets-do-justice-crime-figures

Basically the only reliable figure was that 27,725 Romanians had been arrested in London at the time of publication.

The report did not clarify that many of those would have been multiple arrests of the same person. Most criminals are habitual and get arrested lots of times.

A large number of the arrests related to vagrancy and to minor issues like littering, swearing in public and spitting. Admittedly those things are not pleasant, but they don't in themselves suggest a major crime wave.

There were 9540 convictions in London over a five-year period involving Romanians. Most were for minor offences.

It is unclear how many Romanians live in the UK (also they go backwards and forwards, like many other E. Europeans coming here), but if as suggested by a number of authorities, it is around 125,000 in London.

In the UK as a whole, 9.2m people have criminal records, again, most for minor offences. That is about 1/6th of the population.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8580657/Quarter-of-UK-population-will-be-on-new-police-database.html

It appears superficially that Romanians are much more law abiding than the average British person.

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billydisco

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Original post by Fullofsurprises

There was a lot of debate following that Telegraph story, they heavily distorted the figures.
http://www.migrantsrights.org.uk/migration-pulse/2013/telegraph-twist-lets-do-justice-crime-figures

Basically the only reliable figure was that 27,725 Romanians had been arrested in London at the time of publication.

The report did not clarify that many of those would have been multiple arrests of the same person. Most criminals are habitual and get arrested lots of times.

A large number of the arrests related to vagrancy and to minor issues like littering, swearing in public and spitting. Admittedly those things are not pleasant, but they don't in themselves suggest a major crime wave.

There were 9540 convictions in London over a five-year period involving Romanians. Most were for minor offences.

It is unclear how many Romanians live in the UK (also they go backwards and forwards, like many other E. Europeans coming here), but if as suggested by a number of authorities, it is around 125,000 in London.

In the UK as a whole, 9.2m people have criminal records, again, most for minor offences. That is about 1/6th of the population.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8580657/Quarter-of-UK-population-will-be-on-new-police-database.html

It appears superficially that Romanians are much more law abiding than the average British person.

So Romania doesn't have a crime culture? No Romanian police were sent to France because there is a Romanian crime culture?

Romanians are not well-known for pick-pocketing, human trafficking and ATM fraud? :rolleyes:

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Fullofsurprises

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Original post by billydisco

So Romania doesn't have a crime culture? No Romanian police were sent to France because there is a Romanian crime culture?

Romanians are not well-known for pick-pocketing, human trafficking and ATM fraud? :rolleyes:

It's credible that they have organised crime gangs who operate here as well as in other parts of Europe, as do some of the ex-Yugoslav states. I think there's a difference between that and trying to claim that all Romanians are criminals, which is the implication of using the phrase 'crime culture'. I don't think it's true that Romania has a 'crime culture'. I've only been there once, but we travelled around a bit and most areas seemed orderly and the people well behaved and good natured. Bucharest for example has a very low rate of violent crime.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21550768

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shashy

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considering i'm standing for them, UKIP

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billydisco

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Original post by Fullofsurprises

It's credible that they have organised crime gangs who operate here as well as in other parts of Europe, as do some of the ex-Yugoslav states. I think there's a difference between that and trying to claim that all Romanians are criminals, which is the implication of using the phrase 'crime culture'. I don't think it's true that Romania has a 'crime culture'. I've only been there once, but we travelled around a bit and most areas seemed orderly and the people well behaved and good natured. Bucharest for example has a very low rate of violent crime.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21550768

I didnt say ALL Romanians are criminals, but if Romania has a crime culture, just like Pakistan has a rape culture, the less of them in the UK the better!

You don't hear me calling for less French, Dutch, Belgian, Swiss people living in the UK..... so this isn't about disliking foreigners.

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billydisco

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Original post by Midlander

I've seen people complain about British tourists acting like ********s quite a lot.

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Tourists don't live in countries permanently......

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Fullofsurprises

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Original post by billydisco

I didnt say ALL Romanians are criminals, but if Romania has a crime culture, just like Pakistan has a rape culture, the less of them in the UK the better!

You don't hear me calling for less French, Dutch, Belgian, Swiss people living in the UK..... so this isn't about disliking foreigners.

No, but the only reason you don't try is because you know people wouldn't believe it. It sounds credible to accuse an E. European country of being criminal (and please don't try that, you know perfectly well that the phrase implies that they are a country of criminals) because we know they have all been through great social dislocation and poverty and therefore it is easier for UKIP to convince people that they are a threat.

I'm sure it is true that there are organised crime gangs from those countries, but that's a lot different to them having a 'criminal culture'. It's a racist phrase and typical of UKIP, who peddle 'acceptable' racism as part of their nasty, sneaky campaigns to control the elderly white vote.

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Cadherin

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Original post by Fullofsurprises

No, but the only reason you don't try is because you know people wouldn't believe it. It sounds credible to accuse an E. European country of being criminal (and please don't try that, you know perfectly well that the phrase implies that they are a country of criminals) because we know they have all been through great social dislocation and poverty and therefore it is easier for UKIP to convince people that they are a threat.

I'm sure it is true that there are organised crime gangs from those countries, but that's a lot different to them having a 'criminal culture'. It's a racist phrase and typical of UKIP, who peddle 'acceptable' racism as part of their nasty, sneaky campaigns to control the elderly white vote.

They do have a criminal culture. Stereotypes exist for a reason - the stereotypes that black people are lazy, Romanians are thieves and the British are uptight have not come into existence for no reason!

If a group of Romanians moved within about 4 houses down from me, I'd probably move away - if not, I would certainly not hesitate to install a burglar alarm and get an extra few locks on the door!

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Midlander

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Original post by billydisco

Tourists don't live in countries permanently......

They do give the country a bad reputation though.

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Midlander

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Original post by billydisco

So Romania doesn't have a crime culture? No Romanian police were sent to France because there is a Romanian crime culture?

Romanians are not well-known for pick-pocketing, human trafficking and ATM fraud? :rolleyes:

Racist is something that is over used a lot now but in your case it is entirely justified.

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Dhill94

Original post by Jammy Duel

You do realise that in the polls at least UKIP is miles ahead of Lib Dems and Greens? And you do realise they are miles ahead of SNP?
On seats I'll give you beating Greens, possibly UKIP, but I doubt lib dems

I meant in terms of seats!! Mathematically the snp can only get a small percentage of the uk vote as they only stand candidates in Scotland. We'll wait and see the results in the 7th!!

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SausageMan

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Probably SNP, as I'm anti Austerity and Pro EU. I would have voted Green but my Constituency doesn't have a Green candidate but the SNP are in an alliance with the English and Welsh Greens along with Plaid Cymru.

I will not be voting Labour, as I'm not a fan of Jim Murphy's and John McTerranhan's blairite views.

I will not be voting Conservative, as the Conservative Party have cut and sold public serves. Which does not reflect the public intrest.

I will not be voting Libdem, as they broken their Promise on free Higher Education and have failed the City of Edinburgh with the Trams Project that caused a deficit in our councils coffers.

And I will not be voting UKIP, as I support the Freedom of Movement and the ECHR. (European Court of Human Rights.)

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1732757

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Naturally Conservative

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Reply 1055

Graham 14

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Labour for sure!

It's about time labour went back to it's socialist roots, and Jeremy is taking the party back to socialism. Socialism gave this country the NHS, the welfare system, council houses, so be careful when you say socialism doesn't work. These ideas were hated by the establishment at the time, but they were brought through, by a labour government and are universally loved today. I'm might hear his policies are unaffordable, yet we somehow always have money for foreign wars, cutting taxes for the rich, mp pay rises, don't tell me his policies are unaffordable and we don't have the money for building council houses, investing in the nhs, a £10 minimum wage, we certainly do have the money.

Watch how i'm going to vilified for being a communist, loony left. I don't care I'm a socialist, sue me I have compassion for people having it hard and I want that to stop, what's wrong with that. Nothing.

I don't know how people can't see, people in this country are struggling and suffering under the hands of this government, we are the one of the wealthiest countries in the world yet there's mass homelessness, child poverty is dangerously high, wages are declining, no council housing, nhs struggling, the richest getting ever richer, corporation tax getting even lower, the rich thrive while the poor suffer, this isn't right, I don't know how people can vote tory and support that? It's immoral.

I support Jeremy Corbyn, I want labour to win, trump and brexit were never supposed to happen, the polls said they wouldn't, but they happened.

I'm not going to vote for more of the same, war mongering, lying, power hungry, heartless and greedy prime minister whether new labour or tory. We need something different.

Jeremy is down to earth and genuine, no he does not dress up with a £300 armani suit, he dresses normally, why does how someone look important, it's policy that matters, how can they improve society. That's what is important. The media attack him but not policies, interesting, attack the policy, not the man.

He wants to help the average joe, not the corporations and wealthy, who are already filthy rich. I'm clear, i'm voting jeremy corbyn and his labour, for a country that helps everyone in the country, not the rich.

This thread needed some jeremy support here, he's a good man unfairly mocked and demonised by the media.