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Edexcel M2: Collisions and Kinetic Energy Question

A particle, mass 2kg and velocity 4m/s, collides horizontally with an equal-sized particle, mass 3kg, which is moving in the same direction of the first particle, at a quarter of the speed.
The loss of kinetic energy in this collision equals 3J. Calculate the velocities of both particles which result from this collision.


My Working:

Conservation of momentum: m1u1+m2u2=m1v1+m2v2

2(4)+3(1)=11=2v1+3v2

Conservation of energy: 3=(1/2)[m1(u1)^2+m2(u2)^2-m1(v1)^2-m2(v2)^2]

3=(1/2)[2(4)^2+3(1)^2-2(v1)^2-3(v2)^2]
3=16+(3/2)-(v1)^2-(3/2)(v2)^2
3=17.5-(v1)^2-(3/2)(v2)^2
(v1)^2+(3/2)(v2)^2=14.5
2(v1)^2+3(v2)^2=29

Rearrange to v2

v2=(11-2v1)/3=√((29-2(v1)^2)/3)
(1/3)(11-2v1)=(1/3)(√87-v1√6)
v1(2-√6)=11-√87
v1=(11-√87)/(2-√6)=-3.72

v2=(1/3)(11-2(-3.72))=6.15

The markscheme says v1=1 and v2=3.
Original post by Nuclear Ghost

v2=(11-2v1)/3=√((29-2(v1)^2)/3)
(1/3)(11-2v1)=(1/3)(√87-v1√6)


The second quoted line doesn't follow from the first quoted one.

Can you correct it, or do you need further input?
Original post by Nuclear Ghost
A particle, mass 2kg and velocity 4m/s, collides horizontally with an equal-sized particle, mass 3kg, which is moving in the same direction of the first particle, at a quarter of the speed.
The loss of kinetic energy in this collision equals 3J. Calculate the velocities of both particles which result from this collision.


My Working:

Conservation of momentum: m1u1+m2u2=m1v1+m2v2

2(4)+3(1)=11=2v1+3v2

Conservation of energy: 3=(1/2)[m1(u1)^2+m2(u2)^2-m1(v1)^2-m2(v2)^2]

3=(1/2)[2(4)^2+3(1)^2-2(v1)^2-3(v2)^2]
3=16+(3/2)-(v1)^2-(3/2)(v2)^2
3=17.5-(v1)^2-(3/2)(v2)^2
(v1)^2+(3/2)(v2)^2=14.5
2(v1)^2+3(v2)^2=29

Rearrange to v2

v2=(11-2v1)/3=√((29-2(v1)^2)/3)
(1/3)(11-2v1)=(1/3)(√87-v1√6)
v1(2-√6)=11-√87
v1=(11-√87)/(2-√6)=-3.72

v2=(1/3)(11-2(-3.72))=6.15

The markscheme says v1=1 and v2=3.


The mark scheme is correct. If you eliminate v2v_2 by substitution you should get the equation [text]5v_1^2-22v_1+17=0 which has a factor v11v_1-1 giving the required solution
(edited 9 years ago)
Original post by ghostwalker
The second quoted line doesn't follow from the first quoted one.

Can you correct it, or do you need further input?

Help me out there. How should they follow?
Original post by Nuclear Ghost
Help me out there. How should they follow?


112v13=292v123\displaystyle \frac{11-2v_1}{3}=\sqrt{\frac{29-2v_1^2}{3}}

Now square both sides, so:

12144v1+4v129=292v123\displaystyle \frac{121-44v_1+4v_1^2}{9}=\frac{29-2v_1^2}{3}

Then rearrange into a quadratic - as brianeverit mentioned.

Two solutions. One you will be able to discard because it will give a physically impossible combination of v1,v2 - work them both out first to find out which.
Original post by ghostwalker
112v13=292v123\displaystyle \frac{11-2v_1}{3}=\sqrt{\frac{29-2v_1^2}{3}}

Now square both sides, so:

12144v1+4v129=292v123\displaystyle \frac{121-44v_1+4v_1^2}{9}=\frac{29-2v_1^2}{3}

Then rearrange into a quadratic - as brianeverit mentioned.

Two solutions. One you will be able to discard because it will give a physically impossible combination of v1,v2 - work them both out first to find out which.

Thanks a lot.

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