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Reply 1
Original post by iamspiderman
Solve the simultaneous equations:

Y= 2x - 3
X^2 + y^2 = 2


You have two equations, substitute the first one into the second and see what you get? :smile:
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Reply 3
Original post by iamspiderman
Ok I did that:

X^2 + (2x -3)= 2


You need to square the (2x-3), this then forms a quadratic expression, so why don't equate it to zero, that is subtract 2 from both sides and then factorise/solve using the quadratic formula to get the two values of x? You can then sub these two values of x to get two values of y? :smile:
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When you substitute it in you need to remember it is still squared. So it will be(2x -3)^2. That is the same as (2x -3)(2x-3) and you then need to expand that. Then collect all like terms (remembering the other x^2) and then make it equal to zero and then factorise that. T
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Reply 6
Original post by iamspiderman
Thanks for replying!

Ok I've got : x^2 + (2x-3) (2x-3) = 2
And I need help expanding and factorising. Maths is not my strongest of subjects. :smile:


To expand brackets of the form (a+b)(a+b)(a+b)(a+b), it can be written like this: (a×a)+(a×b)+(a×b)+(b×b)(a \times a) + (a \times b) + (a \times b) + (b \times b), which can then be shortened to: a2+2ab+b2a^2 + 2ab + b^2.

So when you have a bracket of (2x3)(2x3)(2x-3)(2x-3), you'd expand it like:
(2x×2x)+(2x×3)+(2x×3)+(3×3)(2x \times 2x) + (2x \times -3) + (2x \times -3) + (-3 \times -3) which can be written as:
4x212x+94x^2 - 12x + 9, so you can now write your original equation as:

x2+4x212x+9=2x^2 + 4x^2 - 12x + 9 = 2, if there's something you don't understand, tell me and I'll try to clear it up. :smile:
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So, expanding (2x-3)(2x-3)...
Do you use foil? First, outer, inner, last?
First 2x x 2x = 4x^2
Outer 2x x -3 = -6x (plus and a minus makes a minus)
Inner -3 x 2x = -6x
Last -3 x -3 = 9 (a minus and a minus make a plus)

So now you've got x^2 + 4x^2 -6x -6x + 9 = 2
Subtract two off both sides so it equals zero.
Now collect all like terms (x's together, x^2's together, integers together etc.)
Then you factorise what you've got.
Then you can work out what x equals and then use them to substitute into the first equation to find out what y equals.
And if you need anymore help I'll help later, gotta go to college now. Have a nice day. :smile:
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Reply 9
Original post by iamspiderman
Thanks a lot!
Ok now I understand this bit. I'm unsure of the next bit, how to get the answer from the original question ?


Okay, so you have:

x2+4x212x+9=2x^2 + 4x^2 - 12x + 9 =2

Collect like terms:

5x212x+9=25x^2 - 12x + 9 =2

Subtract 2 from both sides of the equation:

5x212x+7=05x^2 - 12x +7 =0

Can you now find x? :smile:
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Reply 11
Original post by iamspiderman
Thanks :smile:)
I tried to factorize but got confused. Can you show me the next part please?



D'you notice how this factorises into:

(x1)(5x7)=0(x-1)(5x-7) =0 (as an exercise, expand those two brackets and see if you get your original equation again)

Can you now see the two values of x? :smile:
Dont do his work for him :rolleyes:
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Reply 14
Original post by iamspiderman
I got the equation:
5x^2-12x +7=0


Great! So the factorisation fits then, does it not? :smile:

Can you give me two values of x that will make (x1)(5x7)(x-1)(5x-7) equal 0? :smile:
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Reply 16
Original post by iamspiderman
For (x-1) x=1 and for (5x-7) x = 1.4
Arethese correct ?


Yes, great! That's your answer, now find the corresponding vales of y. :smile:
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Reply 18
Original post by iamspiderman
Great :smile:
How do i do that?


You know that y=2x3y=2x-3

so when x=1, y=...?

When x=1.4, y=...?
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