Confirmed immigrants claim more benefits &amp; more likely to be unemployed

Original post by billydisco

People like you really are so thick and naive. Think about it for a second:

If they are coming here for a better life, then they will hope to obtain resources/money here.

They aren't bringing money/resources in to the country, so if they manage to gain resources, who did they just deprive? US!

Read what I said then ask yourself isn't my very point that to use the emotive word deprive to describe the impact on the majority of UK taxpayers is, my my view, unjustified. Less well off? Perhaps. Deprived? No...

Did my point seek to make any comment on the controversial question of whether or not immigration benefits or costs the UK? No.

In fact, the more I think about it, the more it's clear that you understand neither my post nor economics. My original point stands irrelevant of whether or not immigration costs the UK, but I feelI ought to point out a flaw in your oversimplification of the economics, and this is with the caveat of me being no economist:

Highly skilled doctors and other professionals enter our country with no resources or miney, yet even the most diehard UKIP supporter would likely admit that they are unlikely to deprive us.

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killajdotwizzle

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Original post by A level sufferer

Whether a lazy Brit or a lazy immigrant receives the benefits, it doesn't make any difference to your life (I understand that not all people claiming benefits are lazy)

There are bigger problems such as low productivity etc for us to Danny about with whose claiming more benefits

I say make it harder for everyone to claim benefits and incentivise more people into work but that's just me

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incentivise people to work. Love and agree with that. The cost of living should go down in this country though. We are getting to a point were people work but its all eaten up by bills. I don't know whether this is a contributing factor to why some people claim benefits. But it is something I would like addressed.

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Nortus

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Original post by billydisco

Are you stupid?

Look what I just said:

-They either don't work and cost us money
-They work a **** job and still cost us money as their tax is so low

???

You are so sheltered and uneducated it hurts my eyes. Vast majority of immigrants earn above the tax-benefit threshold of 24 500 where they are a net benefit to UK treasury therefore your comment is both redundant and ****ing retarded.

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username1494226

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Original post by offhegoes

According to a quick back-of-a-cigarette-packet calculation, 11 million UK Sky TV customers pay roughly £5bn in subscription fees. I believe from memory that that is more the the entire NHS budget for Scotland.

Now I would never advocate restricting the right of people to spend their money on whatever they like, but I really hope that those Sky customers choke on their own bile should they ever have the gall to try and claim that the current rate of influx of immigrants coming to the UK in search of a better life is unsupportable.

Well they earnt their money and can spend as they wish. Nobody wants to foot the bill for illegals coming into the country and we shouldn't. People should pay their way, only requiring state aid when it is truly needed.

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quentinhamilton

What happened to "these immigrats are stealing our jobs"?

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stephenhinn

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You guys are just prejudice patriots, if immigrants are costing us why not, after all British empire cost them 3 times than they are costing us. You guys just want to be prejudice by covering yourself with this fact. If European can receive it, they also can after all we all pay taxes.

(edited 8 years ago)

Reply 67

SiminaM

Original post by quentinhamilton

What happened to "these immigrats are stealing our jobs"?

Wait til I finish medschool :colone:

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quentinhamilton

Original post by SiminaM

Wait til I finish medschool :colone:

Hahaha, go for it and good luck :smile:

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Original post by marco14196

Well they earnt their money and can spend as they wish. Nobody wants to foot the bill for illegals coming into the country and we shouldn't. People should pay their way, only requiring state aid when it is truly needed.

Actually, I believe we should all be prepared to pay more in taxes if necessary to support those who need help, whether it be the most vulnerable if our own society or those seeking to escape deprivation in other countries.

This does not amount to condoning people who choose to not contribute to society when they are more than capable of doing so. But I don't advocate studing a demographic statistically and suggesting that that demographic ought to not be in this country based on those stats.

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username1494226

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Original post by offhegoes

Actually, I believe we should all be prepared to pay more in taxes if necessary to support those who need help, whether it be the most vulnerable if our own society or those seeking to escape deprivation in other countries.

This does not amount to condoning people who choose to not contribute to society when they are more than capable of doing so. But I don't advocate studing a demographic statistically and suggesting that that demographic ought to not be in this country based on those stats.

I agree with helping more if our societies vulnerable but I disagree with tax payers having to foot the bill for potentially thousands of illegals, even if theyvare fleeing war. They're not our burden, the Middle Eastern oil rich nationa should be shouldering more of the burden. I do think these people need help but the scale is not financially viable I am afraid. As much as I think we should help them, its not realistic and it would be taken advantage of. As it is, we have a housing shortage and simply can't welcome more in to effectively sponge off of the system

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Jessiocar

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At the same time we kind of need to see it from their perspective. If you were in their position and you were trying to live a better life you would want to have support available. Taking it away from them would make our system seem unfair and in doing this who would want to help us if we had the same issue?

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Original post by Coconut-drizzle

At the same time we kind of need to see it from their perspective. If you were in their position and you were trying to live a better life you would want to have support available. Taking it away from them would make our system seem unfair and in doing this who would want to help us if we had the same issue?

On that topic, John Christopher's 1962 book The World In Winter is an interesting read. The premise is the cooling of the world and the diminished food production ability of the UK and other regions far from the tropics.

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Chakede

Original post by quentinhamilton

What happened to "these immigrats are stealing our jobs"?

they were stealing the jobs, then they decided it was less effort to just go to the job centre and steal benefits instead.
it will all go tits up when they steal the jobs of the job centre workers

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quentinhamilton

Original post by Chakede

they were stealing the jobs, then they decided it was less effort to just go to the job centre and steal benefits instead.
it will all go tits up when they steal the jobs of the job centre workers

I hope you're not being serious.

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Chakede

Original post by quentinhamilton

I hope you're not being serious.

its a shame that sarcasm is no longer understood these days

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Killa Kam

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But immigrants put in more than they take..? This country has benefited from immigration.. It was immigrants who helped build the country up after the war.. I honestly think people are victims of propaganda its easy to attack a defencles group rather than go after the big dogs like the tax bill left by the royal wedding or why bankers get ridiculous bonuses paying more than their salary or why MPs are spending peoples money on holidays.

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thesabbath

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Original post by quentinhamilton

What happened to "these immigrats are stealing our jobs"?

It remains a straw man favourite of the far left, who behave as if there is no difference whatsoever between the various types of immigrants Britain admits.

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thesabbath

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Original post by Killa Kam

But immigrants put in more than they take..? This country has benefited from immigration.. It was immigrants who helped build the country up after the war.. I honestly think people are victims of propaganda its easy to attack a defencles group rather than go after the big dogs like the tax bill left by the royal wedding or why bankers get ridiculous bonuses paying more than their salary or why MPs are spending peoples money on holidays.

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No. Immigrants are on aggregate a huge net cost to this country.

This study for instance puts the cost to Britain of non-EU immigration, since 1995, at a staggering £117.9 billion:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11209234/Immigration-from-outside-Europe-cost-120-billion.html

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