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Would you rather live in a communist or fascist state?

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Original post by James Milibanter
Why was the washing machine laughing?

Because it was taking the piss out of your pants.

But seriously, anyone that says Fascism is rather stupid, even the most right wing of right wingers (probably even the Daily Fail readers (although, I do someone doubt it still)) would agree that it would be better to live in a communist (soviet style I assume) state rather than a fascist state.
Reasons:
1) whether or not you doubt its plausibility, Communism was founded on the belief of equality and social justice
2) Fascism was founded on the belief of the complete opposite, and has so far succeeded.


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Original post by driftawaay
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Original post by viddy9
Yep.

I suppose the OP's original intention was to see whether we'd prefer to live in a totalitarian socialist state or a totalitarian fascist state.

Hypothetically, we could posit that they both have the same death toll as a proportion of their population, and the same levels of repression, etc.

In that case, I'd prefer to live in the totalitarian socialist state, because there would be fewer hierarchical structures, less discrimination overall and at least a certain level of solidarity which you probably couldn't get in a society based upon some form of social Darwinism.

Essentially, a personal life (where the state does not intervene, i.e. in interactions with other people) in a totalitarian socialist state would be nicer, for me, than a personal life in a totalitarian fascist state, because we'd all be roughly on the same footing, whereas there's a chance I could be born into a "lower-ranked" family in a totalitarian fascist state, in which case I'd be discriminated against by my peers, or a "higher-ranked" family, in which case I probably wouldn't feel comfortable with whichever ranking, or hierarchical, system the fascist state adopts.

Though, you seem to have indicated that you may disagree that the principles of a totalitarian socialist state would be better than the principles of a totalitarian fascist state.


Surely in a totalitarian state it's not possible for everyone to be on an "equal footing", since totalitarianism, by its nature, requires some people to oppress others?
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Original post by felamaslen
Surely in a totalitarian state it's not possible for everyone to be on an "equal footing", since totalitarianism, by its nature, requires some people to oppress others?


Well, yes. I'd not be likely to be living amongst the Party officials, however, so my personal life would probably involve other people just like me.

If I were some kind of Party official, I could at least justify talking to "the people" based on ideology, whereas in a fascist society, I'd probably be looked upon with more suspicion if I even tried to sympathise with other people lower down in the hierarchy.
Original post by felamaslen
Surely in a totalitarian state it's not possible for everyone to be on an "equal footing", since totalitarianism, by its nature, requires some people to oppress others?


Well the oppressed would all be equally oppressed I suppose, rather than some being more oppressed than others.
Original post by viddy9
Well, yes. I'd not be likely to be living amongst the Party officials, however, so my personal life would probably involve other people just like me.

If I were some kind of Party official, I could at least justify talking to "the people" based on ideology, whereas in a fascist society, I'd probably be looked upon with more suspicion if I even tried to sympathise with other people lower down in the hierarchy.


In practical terms I don't think there is any difference. In most communist states, suggesting listening to the people (e.g. with transparency and free speech) would have got you labelled a "counter-revolutionary" or something.

It seems like you prefer everyone to be oppressed than just a few people (though fascism does oppress everyone too, in a philosophical sense at least).
Original post by James Milibanter
Well the oppressed would all be equally oppressed I suppose, rather than some being more oppressed than others.


I really don't see how that is an improvement.
Original post by felamaslen
I really don't see how that is an improvement.


Well it's better to be just as oppressed as everyone else than to be slightly more oppressed then everyone else. Especially when under Fascism it would be for something arbitrary like race/religion
Original post by James Milibanter
Why was the washing machine laughing?

Because it was taking the piss out of your pants.

But seriously, anyone that says Fascism is rather stupid, even the most right wing of right wingers (probably even the Daily Fail readers (although, I do someone doubt it still)) would agree that it would be better to live in a communist (soviet style I assume) state rather than a fascist state.
Reasons:
1) whether or not you doubt its plausibility, Communism was founded on the belief of equality and social justice
2) Fascism was founded on the belief of the complete opposite, and has so far succeeded.


Why would any straight while male prefer to live in communism rather than fascism? Especially an educated one...
Original post by James Milibanter
Well it's better to be just as oppressed as everyone else than to be slightly more oppressed then everyone else. Especially when under Fascism it would be for something arbitrary like race/religion


So non-membership of the politburo isn't quite as arbitrary?
Original post by SotonianOne
Why would any straight while male prefer to live in communism rather than fascism? Especially an educated one...

A conscience maybe? After all, that's what communism relies upon.
Original post by felamaslen
So non-membership of the politburo isn't quite as arbitrary?


Indeed.
Original post by James Milibanter
A conscience maybe? After all, that's what communism relies upon.


And you're surprised why people don't vote Labour?
Original post by SotonianOne
And you're surprised why people don't vote Labour?


Haha. There's nothing wrong with either things, as a libertarian I believe we should be able to live in whichever form of society we choose. That way we wouldn't have 60+% of the voters disappointed with the outcome of the election (not that they're necessarily disappointed, but they didn't get the government they voted for).
Original post by SotonianOne
Why would any straight while male prefer to live in communism rather than fascism? Especially an educated one...


If educated meant I could be a pig then why not?
Original post by SotonianOne
Why would any straight while male prefer to live in communism rather than fascism? Especially an educated one...


Isn't it funny how you can think of people other than yourself?

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Original post by Interzone Agent
Isn't it funny how you can think of people other than yourself?

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I always wonder how other people are capable of doing that. Emo-ism is my guess.
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Original post by SotonianOne
I always wonder how other people are capable of doing that. Emo-ism is my guess.


Also hahaha, ****. This is the only time I've felt insulted by a fascist. Call me whatever, but I ain't emo. I just have empathy for other human beings - would've thought that was a common trait by now.
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Original post by Interzone Agent
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Edit: haha, it ain't! Take that ****, mobile forums.



Also hahaha, ****. This is the only time I've felt insulted by a fascist. Call me whatever, but I ain't emo. I just have empathy for other human beings - would've thought that was a common trait by now.


I'm like the furthest thing from a fascist, the very edge of objectivism.
Original post by James Milibanter
Why was the washing machine laughing?

Because it was taking the piss out of your pants.

But seriously, anyone that says Fascism is rather stupid, even the most right wing of right wingers (probably even the Daily Fail readers (although, I do someone doubt it still)) would agree that it would be better to live in a communist (soviet style I assume) state rather than a fascist state.
Reasons:
1) whether or not you doubt its plausibility, Communism was founded on the belief of equality and social justice
2) Fascism was founded on the belief of the complete opposite, and has so far succeeded.

But the Right doesn't believe that equality and "social" justice are good. The Right recognises that inequality is a part of human nature and that competition and hierarchy are often beneficial.

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