"Sexy Plus Size Model Stuns on Catwalk" How is this acceptable?

Ok i joined like 5 minutes ago so I don't really know what I'm doing but anyway:

saying that people of a bigger size should be banned from the fashion industry is absolutely disgusting and so disrespectful and rude.

saying that it is wrong of the media to promote such an 'un-healthy size' is really stupid?? women and girls that are bigger or do not meet society's expectations of perfect or whatever are never praised or told their bodies are beautiful so having 'plus-size' models on catwalks and in the media and fashion industry is probably a real confidence booster for some people. And did you know that thin people / people that look like healthy can actually be rotting from the inside, for example a slim person could eat loads of junk food everyday but have a fast metabolism. meanwhile their teeth are decaying and their arteries becoming clogged (I'm not good at science so I don't know if it's the arteries that get clogged with fat or something but whatever).

saying that girls aspire to be 'normal' is really hurtful and your post is making me really angry. girls aspire to be whatever they want??? yes, girls probably don't force themselves to put on weight to look like a 'plus size model' but saying that any other body type apart from slim or whatever society deems as 'normal' is just???? its just stupid and rude and it was really ignorant of you to post this. girls can aspire to be whatever they want so do NOT tell us what we do and don't aspire to be. is it okay then for the girls who throw up their dinner and starve themselves to aspire to be the stick thin models the media is constantly shoving down our throats?

Incorrect.

YOU are reducing this to feelings. I'm direct, you attribute that to feeling, I attribute that to the absence of feelings.

Fact: obesity makes an individual more susceptible to a number of life-shortening health conditions. Many in this thread want to condone obesity to spare people's hurt feelings, I've disagreed with that stance - I believe they want to condone obesity because they want to condone their own slovenly existence and feel better about themselves by defining it as the 'new normal.'

Obesity is not an acceptable lifestyle choice and no amount of 'feeling' is going to alter that fact. Promoting it as an acceptable lifestyle choice, appeasing it, is fundamentally irresponsible and self-serving.

Now, here's an idea: if you want to talk to me about something, how about you just address my points rather than addressing me as a person? In doing the latter, you are making the debate personal.

n.b. don't invoke research without citing it. Otherwise, it's fiction.

I never said it was but demonising people for their weight isn't helpful either.

People shouldn't have to spend their entire lives feeling as though, if I'm not between "x and y" I'm not acceptable and I shouldn't be allowed to leave the house or that would be 'promoting my lifestyle/weight." to others.

The issue is not that simple and yes, people's feelings do matter even when an epidemic is going on.

Of course no one should feel like an outcast if theyre not between x and y, like you said. No one should feel like an outcast if they smoke either. But as society we discourage behaviours that are detrimental to our population but at they end of the day people can still do them if they so wish. Take smoking, you can smoke if you wish so but advertising it is banned, in shops they are covered up so kids can't see them, and its banned in public places. Obesity is detrimental to our population too - extremely. Heart disease is the number one killer in the UK. Obesity causes massive strain on the heart. Therefore it should be discouraged publically to become obese. Therefore we shouldnt have obese models on show encouraging that detrimental obese lifestyle.

That's a very interesting point, Particularly the evolutionary reasons. But there was a quote in a newspaper which said that

"But with the online revolution and everyone having access to a public platform, there are increasing examples of popular things being attacked purely because they are popular, or some flimsy rationale like how the popular things actually has a negative effect on those who experience it (usually based on wild leaps of logic and little or no evidence) or that the popular thing is actually an attempt to push a specific ideology which differs from the criticisers own (again typically based on wild logic and unfounded speculation as to the motivations of the popular thing’s creators)."

No I agree that some people do lose it healthily. But do you have figures to show how many do? Medically speaking, not many patients carry on losing weight healthily in advice from their doctor (speaking from discussions with doctors, work experience etc). Would you agree that "fat-shaming" is partly to blame?

Public health is an interest of mine so it's fascinating to hear views on the extremes which posts like this generally attract.

1 and 2 are contradictory. How does making obese people ashamed help anyone, huh? What, so you want them to stay indoors for the rest of their life? Not have the courage to go to the gym or park to lose weight? Feel like people are judging them if they ask for help? And just marginalise them? Wouldn't that make the problem worse? Interested to hear your thoughts on this.

What are you talking about?. She looks of a healthy body weight. I was expecting to see an obese woman. She looks toned and curvaceous. Stunning.

BMI is a poor indicator of obesity too. Ideally it would be based on body fat percentage, but that's impractical.

What eating disorder would lead to obesity?

Well, there's the answer. Your generation are different to our generation - we are moving towards NOT shaming others and are more open to new ideas and beliefs, as a generation, spurred by a digital era. You might not care about their feelings but I am waiting for a valid, practical solution from you to an obesity problem. Lowering others' self esteem does not help anyone, let alone yourself. People tried to shame other races, LGBTs, women etc. Has it ever worked in the long term?

But I do think it is an interesting point that others make - fashion doesn't choose to promote good health, only an idea of beauty.

its the stick part of the carrot and stick approach. If people feel ashamed about something they don't want be like that anymore. It deters people from being fat and encourages already fat people to lose weight.

Its not contradictory - they are in fact heavily linked. If obesity is unacceptable then people who are fat will feel ashamed. You can't have a society where you have both its unacceptable but not shameful.

Take smoking. If your son began smoking at 21 you can't stop him smoking because hes old enough to make the choice but you would frown upon it and give him a talking to. Thats because smoking is unacceptable. The frowning and the talking to makes the son feel ashamed. Not a bad thing though is it, you're doing him a favour.

Too many fat people dont like feeling ashamed from being talked to about losing weight because they are insecure about their body image. Of course the first port of call for those people is to try being told to lose weight 'outlawed' and unacceptable. Thats because they dont like the feeling of being ashamed. But what alternative is there?? Just let them feel content until they personally decide to lose weight? Most people who are fat never lose it. And they die young. Tragic

its not a generational thing. its a feminism thing. body beautiful, girls can be sluts, marriage means nothing because of no-fault divorce, the list goes on.

Also you can't compare races to obesity. Obesity is choice. If people feel ashamed of being obese they won't want to be obese. Called deterrence.
If people are shamed because of race they can't just become a different one.

To clarify my point, I don't think it is similar to the "carrot and stick approach". Simply because you are shaming people, hence they are less likely to seek help and lose weight in a healthy way. They won't go to the gym or park etc. Obese people trying to lose weight are sometimes hassled by strangers for being in public running etc, thus get discouraged and stop a regime, sometimes agreed on with a healthcare professional. Turning to illegal dieting pills/extreme diets would mean they do not become healthy. And they would die young or at least hurt themselves seriously if they turn to these "fad diets" or pills Wouldn't you say that shaming others would simply make the problem worse in this case?

I am simply stating that shaming people of other races, LGBTs, women etc has never helped. Shaming underweight people has never helped, though arguable you would say that they are in the same class of people as obese people. Shaming smokers did not help. It was only through displaying facts and educating them that the public as a whole understood the problems and smokers realised the dangers. Could this approach not work better, as opposed to simply "fat-shaming" which itself discourages people from trying to follow a healthy lifestyle?

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I disagree. I think it is a generational thing. I would like to know why you think it is a feminism thing.

I can, and do compare them. Bleaching skin is a common, and sometimes dangerous practice in some countries. They try to change their skin. Likewise excessive tanning is an issue too.

Leading me to the point that shaming others helps nobody, makes the situation worse, and does nothing for the accuser's own self esteem. Interested to hear your views on my previous post above.

obese people trying to lose weight are massively encouraged. I often see pictures on facebook of fat people working out and they got 1000s of likes.
If I take your argument where people dont feel ashamed and by implication being fat is acceptable in society - no one would encourage you to lose weight because its acceptable. Why would you want a society like that?
People who take diet pills are stupid because of how bad they are for you and also lazy people. They want to lose weight but they can't be bothered. They want the easy way out. There is no easy way out.
So few people take diet pills anyway. 74,000 people die of chonary heart disease per year in uk. diet pills deaths would be around 10 tops. No comparison.

People stopped smoking because it became unacceptable. It became unacceptable because of the health implications.
Being fat and eating too much is unacceptable because of the health implications also. We shouldnt say its acceptable now because it hurts people's feelings. The point is that if something is unacceptable it is frowned upon if people do it - like smoking - if your children began smoking you would seriously frown upon that. If people frown upon it then you will get people being ashamed of doing it because of how other people feel about it. It is impossible to get people to feel that obesity is unacceptable but at the same time not frown upon obese people. One causes the other.

There's a difference between being overweight and being obese, and size 16 is definitely not the latter.

There's nothing wrong with having a bit of fat so long as it's not having an adverse effect on your health, so I don't see why the fashion industry should sink to your level of childish condemnation and ostracisation of people who have a dress size that's anything other than 8-10.

What are you talking about?. She looks of a healthy body weight. I was expecting to see an obese woman. She looks toned and curvaceous. Stunning.