Ku Klux Klan grows in 2015; Other hate groups rise to the fore

So, according to the SPLC the KKK grew from 72 to 190 chapters last year. (I don't know what the SPLC means by chapter in Klan terms - completely new Klan groups or new klaverns of existing groups but that's not important) That's an increase of 264%. The SPLC seems to be of the opinion that much of this growth has resulted from pro-battle flag rallies that took place after S Carolina removed it from the State Capitol. Seems to be the law of unintended consequences at play.

Interesting to note that despite the growth in the number of chapters, the KKK haven't increased in terms of % of hate groups. In fact they're down a bit at 21% from 20% 5 and 10 years ago. Black separatist groups now make up the same % of the "hate group community" as the KKK. Presumably this is a result of much publicised white (police) killing of blacks and the rise of the Black Lives Matter groups.

Anyway. I'm not making a statement here. I just thought this was interesting reading. I wonder whether the UK and other parts of the west (particularly Europe dealing with the current refugee crisis) is seeing a similar expansion of these types of groups.

Debate/discuss if you feel so inclined. If not make yourself a nice cup of tea and try and build a mini stone henge out of bourbon biscuits instead.

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2016/year-hate-and-extremism

Is the KKK classified as a terrorist organisation?

Is the KKK classified as a terrorist organisation?

Yes in fact.

Its an increase of 164%, not 264%

So, according to the SPLC the KKK grew from 72 to 190 chapters last year. (I don't know what the SPLC means by chapter in Klan terms - completely new Klan groups or new klaverns of existing groups but that's not important) That's an increase of 264%. The SPLC seems to be of the opinion that much of this growth has resulted from pro-battle flag rallies that took place after S Carolina removed it from the State Capitol. Seems to be the law of unintended consequences at play.

Interesting to note that despite the growth in the number of chapters, the KKK haven't increased in terms of % of hate groups. In fact they're down a bit at 21% from 20% 5 and 10 years ago. Black separatist groups now make up the same % of the "hate group community" as the KKK. Presumably this is a result of much publicised white (police) killing of blacks and the rise of the Black Lives Matter groups.

Anyway. I'm not making a statement here. I just thought this was interesting reading. I wonder whether the UK and other parts of the west (particularly Europe dealing with the current refugee crisis) is seeing a similar expansion of these types of groups.

Debate/discuss if you feel so inclined. If not make yourself a nice cup of tea and try and build a mini stone henge out of bourbon biscuits instead.

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2016/year-hate-and-extremism

Black Lives Matter! :turban:

Populations are becoming increasingly polarised in the West as inter-cultural relations worsen, unfortunately. There has been a fairly sharp rise in support for/curiosity concerning far right groups like Britain First in the UK, but nothing like what we're seeing on the continent

They've threatened 'direct action, which they specialise in' e.g. more of the same provocative PR stunt targeting that they've done to date

If they incite hatred and violence then I completely agree. Inviting criticism, and inciting fear/discontent is not the same thing, however

This Britain First group appears to have more than it's fair share of uneducated, bigoted/xenophobic asshats, but I'm afraid they are right that there is a strategy of entryism and subversion by stealth going on, often orchestrated by (Salafist) Islamists* within British communities (see trojan horse scandal and gender segregated mainstream political meetings attended by leading MPs at the last election, FYR)

This almost certainly does not apply in the case of Sadiq Khan but whether conspiracy or not if you understand the tennets of Islam, primacy of Allah, and single interpretation/alarming and extreme norms/values of the majority of Muslims, then having a Muslim in public office is undesirable, and having one with connections to Islamism and radical extremist Islamists is extremely unsettling

I cannot, and shall never, recognise the office of such a 'leader' and whilst I would not turn my back on the mayor, I cannot acknowledge his authority and will never be ruled by a Muslim any more than I will by a subscriber to any other ideology I deem to be e.g. retrograde, divisive, oppressive, violent, monopolistic and quasi-totalitarian/fascistic, so help me God. My forbears died, and suffered, fighting tooth and nail to keep us free and by God I will not insult their memory, or demean their sacrifice e.g. out of a desire to

• Appease a fallacious sense of 'one world' progressivism

• Be seen to be progressive i.e. ivory tower/NIMBY champagne socialists/leftie pseudo-liberals)

• Quell misplaced post-colonial/holocaust guilt/horror

• Embrace an arbitrary love of diversity without condition/avoid resolving cognitive dissonance et. disarray with regard to the paradox of tolerance

I do not agree with the tactics of Britain First, and have little in common with their supporters; I find both to be uncouth. Someone has to make a stand, however, which is why I support the core message of PEGIDA, and am sticking my head above the parapet in posting like this. I do this not because I hate anyone, far from it – as you know, I am a pluralist who has only love for humanity; that is precisely why I feel the need to speak out, as someone armed with a great deal of knowledge/understanding of human interrelations and psychology

It may endanger myself/my family to say this but the fact is, (history tells us that) Saudi Arabia is no friend of the West and Islam(ism) has no (sustainable) place outside of the Muslim world. The population of Europe is now alive to these facts, the question is: when will the elites accept this and how can we deal with the cultural, social, political, and economic problems that The Clash of Civilisations poses in an ethical/sustainable way in the context of millions of Muslims now living among us. If the rest of the population of Europe fail to engage, and the elites fail to act, then the only alternatives I can see is that groups like Britain First/AfD/FPÖ, and demagogues like Trump, come to the fore and we have widescale social unrest, race riots, and possibly race war/civil war in certain flashpoints

* Probably operating in conjunction with the fairly exhaustive strategic efforts by The House of Saud (Saudi Arabia, KSA) to seed their favoured blend of Wahhabism throughout the West (see history of mosque building) and interference in Western domestic/foreign affairs - notably, 9/11)

What makes you think PEGIDA is a hate group?

Actually there are several, top ones including anti-Tory sentiment, lack of Boris-like personality, and the demographics of London (young, multicultural, and economically unequal)

Good to know you feel that way, but unfortunately you only need to visit parts of e.g. East/South London to see division and ethno-cultural tension is a (particularly unpalatable and depressing) fact of life. Tensions within communities are minimal, but tensions between them are at an all time high. Realtalk

Indeed we shall, and generally speaking this is a sign of progress and to be encouraged. Everyone in society who has the best interests of the British/Western people, and subscribes to our norms, values, and way of life (Judeo-Christian in their basis), is not only invited, but expected, to engage politically, and to seek to better society insofar as they are able

No doubt, hence turning their backs on Mr. Khan (puerile)

Please see the post your are quoting, and the links within it, for a finer appreciation of what people are afraid of. Their fears are legitimate, and to seek to delegitimise them is to play into the hands of extremists on both sides

If you follow this premise through to its natural conclusion using game theory then we all end up living under a European caliphate. Think before you speak

Without condition?

It certainly is an integral part of what makes London the city it is,* if not the only thing

Is the KKK classified as a terrorist organisation?

Strictly speaking there's no single KKK any more, just various different Klan groups, some of whom have connections but some of whom don't.

Most Klan groups are legal organisations as they're usually too small and insignificant to do much. Some past Klan groups have been proscribed or prosecuted to the point of destruction (iirc I think one of David Duke's Klans was proscribed in this way), but when they are they're generally classed as criminal organisations rather than terrorist groups.

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You've seen hate preaching e.g. at UK PEGIDA marches?

It's not a matter of what's allowed, it's a matter of whether I recognise them should they manage to command any authority. I would not recognise Zionist extremists, or radical Christian fundamentalists either, would be preposterous!

Not sure you understood my point

Good, should hope so too!

Indeed I do, but I am aware of the folly/dangers in tolerating the intolerant/intolerable