I'm considering quitting Pupillage. Has anyone done that before?

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Original post by A1991

Hi guysI started pupillage only 2 weeks ago. I had already decided during the stress of acquiring pupillage and seeing what a barristers life is actually like during mini pupillages that the bar is not for me. However, I decided that I had come this far and that I needed to a) give it a go or b) atleast get my practicing certificate which would open many more doors for me career-wise.However, I am 2 weeks in and I literally don't think I can make it another 50. I hate every minute. Chambers are lovely and my supervisor is great but I am so anxious and feel horrendous. I cannot work so hard and in the high pressure/scrutiny way that this job requires.To those above who (as you posted one year ago) will have either left pupillage, seen it through then left the bar or seen it through and stayed:- does having a practicing certificate actually open doors ?- and even if it does, do you regret seeing it through and pushing through? i just don't think anything could be worth feeling like this and that I would be doing my life a huge disservice by giving up another 11 months of it to feeling this way.thank you in advance!

Hey, thread starter here.

I agree with a lot of what vnupe said to you but here are my thoughts on the matter, having quit just after finishing my first six.

The first thing I will say is that if there's a particular stress you have about the work, or there's something you feel comfortable asking your supervisor about - e.g. you're not understanding your supervisor's instructions clearly enough - make sure you tell them. If they are as great as you say, they will help you (as is their responsibility) and you may feel like a weight has been taken off your shoulders. I did that early on and it turns out there were a few things to be adjusted, which did greatly improve my experience in the first six. That, to me, is step one for you.

Before quitting, I was always advised in one of two ways. On the one hand, I was told that I should "just finish Pupillage" (obviously) and that it will open all the doors in the world. I always got the impression that the people who told me that never fully appreciated the struggle I was going through and just how torturous it was for me to stay doing something I a) wasn't good enough at b) couldn't handle the pressure of, all while feeling stressed, panicky and anxious every day. Only you can decide whether what you're feeling is too much - because often (not always) the people who encourage you to stay haven't necessarily experienced what you're personally going through. Their definition of "stress" might not be the same as yours, and they can maybe tolerate their own stress to get through pupillage, but not yours. There were many mornings that I'd wake up with my heart thumping out of panic. Not everyone I spoke to could even understand the concept. I don't want to influence you - I'm just explaining how the way I perceived this advice helped me to identify my own feelings and needs more clearly.

The other advice I received came from significantly fewer people, notably my head of chambers, who I was lucky enough to be able to confide in from very early on. They told me very clearly that nobody outside of the Bar even knows what a Pupillage is and I would be no worse off not having obtained my practising certificate. They made sure I knew that I had already developed a great set of skills through my education and other legal work up to that point, and that while Pupillage would indeed push me to further develop those skills, not doing so would not ruin the rest of my career nor would it put me at a significant disadvantage. Especially so if you decide to leave the law altogether, as I did.

Full disclosure: I have not tried to enter employment since quitting and have therefore not seen how future employers view my decision - I decided that self-employment was still the way for me and so I've been working from home developing a business, whilst also raising a new family. But I think it's fair to say that what my head of chambers said to me held weight - an employer would take into consideration the great education you've had so far and the hard work you've put into it, as well as the competencies you've gained so far. Assuming you can explain your decision to leave pupillage in a mature and smart way, there's no reason it couldn't all be seen in a positive light.

Ask yourself whether the reason for staying (e.g. experience, status, ticking the practising certificate box, money, etc.) is bigger than your reasons for leaving. (Also bear in mind that if your anxiety is such a problem that it affects your work, you may underperform and be asked to extend your pupillage in order to actually obtain the practising certificate, as I was. So had I decided to "just tough it out" for another 6 months, it would actually have been closer to another 12 months, and that I would not do.)

I strongly suggest you talk to some more people first - a trusted Junior, a chambers welfare officer, someone from the Wellbeing at the Bar website, or any other barrister you know). Get their advice but also get a sense of their feelings generally about their own practices and stress levels so you can evaluate how relevant the advice is - that's important, because you will get advice to stay and advice to leave, and you might be tempted to think "well, I'm no better off now than I was before I asked".

Good luck.

And feel free to PM me.

I do not know whether or not have a practising certificate opens particular doors or not, but I would be surprised if it did outside of the legal profession. The reason for that is that it is literally of no practical use unless you are actually practising as a barrister. The world of being a barrister is quite insular to a degree, and it's hard to even have a conversation about it with a lay person without stopping every few minutes to explain what a particular term means. The average person wouldn't have a clue what is meant by the BPTC, chambers, pupillage, tenancy, a practising certificate, or any number of other terms. It reminds me of an episode of the apprentice where Alan Sugar asked one of the candidates why he shouldn't fire him, and he replied "I got an Outstanding on the Bar Course". Alan Sugar just looked at him and said "I have no idea what that means", and went on to fire him. Which illustrates why unless you're planning on staying within the law and practising as a barrister, perhaps in an in house role, I genuinely do not see how having a practising certificate would open doors for you.

It's clear that you're struggling here, but the issue of whether things can be made for bearable for you is a different one to whether or not you should continue with the pupillage. Something is clearly fundamentally wrong if you're two weeks in to first six and you are hating every minute, especially when you speak so well of your set and pupil master. It may be as you say that and this profession really isn't a fit for you, but no one else can ultimately answer that except you. I don't remember whether I was one of the people that advised mirispoonie to continue with her pupillage (I'd like to think my advice was more nuanced than that, but it may not have been), but it is pertinent to note that whilst issues were identified and improvements were made to her situation within Chambers (some of which we identified in our conversation), those improvements didn't suddenly mean that she became suited to a profession that she ultimately didn't want to continue in. Making changes to your situation within Chambers can only ever put you in a position where you can better inform yourself as to whether or not this is the right path for you. It cannot make it be the right path if it isn't.

So ultimately you need to make the decision that is right for you here, but it is right that you are looking to gather views and inform yourself before making that decision. To that end I am more than happy to talk with you if you want, as I did with mirispoonie and have done with several others in similar positions over the years. I cannot offer solutions, but I can listen and I can give you a sense of perspective as to how normal or not your experience is. I can also potentially answer difficult or sensitive questions that you might not want to ask people that you actually know. No pressure of course, but the offer is there, and if you do want to chat just PM me.

Reply 22

mirispoonie

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I strongly agree with CrazyJamie.

Original post by Crazy Jamie

I don't remember whether I was one of the people that advised mirispoonie to continue with her pupillage (I'd like to think my advice was more nuanced than that, but it may not have been), but it is pertinent to note that whilst issues were identified and improvements were made to her situation within Chambers (some of which we identified in our conversation), those improvements didn't suddenly mean that she became suited to a profession that she ultimately didn't want to continue in.

It's worth me responding to the above. The oversimplified version of his advice was indeed to continue but it was more "stick it out if you can, to discover if it can offer you what you're looking for, in the way you think a career at the Bar should look". In the end, it didn't take me long to find out that the concrete answer was I couldn't, it can't, and it didn't look good to me. I also found out that I was somewhat misled to believe that certain aspects of life at the Bar were better than they really were, and they had been a huge part of my being there. So for me there was no point in continuing beyond the 7 months I had completed. But Jamie and I had a very long chat in which he answered all of my questions, told me about his experiences, broke some of my misconceptions and encouraged me to not go it alone. It helped me to figure out what needed improving first, figure out who to go to for help, and eventually to figure out whether any of it was right for me. Had I not had such a thorough conversation with someone who was willing to take the time to hear me out and respond with care, I'd have been stuck mostly with shallow advice of "just keep going", "it's not that long", "you've come so far, why quit now", "you'd probably regret quitting". It was about more than that. It was only by talking that it became clear that it was so fundamentally wrong for me, and that it was entirely possible for me to not only have studied and worked in the law for 8 years, but excelled in it, and yet still be in the completely wrong place.

As it happens, chambers eventually offered me some time off - with their full support and encouragement - to think about everything, which was a fantastic opportunity. But I knew deep down that if I left for a break I would never come back, and that felt like making a final decision, which I couldn't bring myself to do. I ended up leaving for a week by chance to deal with a family member's serious health issue and that forced me to confront the obvious. That's the only way I managed to take enough of a step back to leave. That's also one option to bear in mind - there are more ways to navigate this problem than you think. It's not just "quit today or keep going until the end".

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TimmonaPortella

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Original post by A1991

Hi guysI started pupillage only 2 weeks ago. I had already decided during the stress of acquiring pupillage and seeing what a barristers life is actually like during mini pupillages that the bar is not for me. However, I decided that I had come this far and that I needed to a) give it a go or b) atleast get my practicing certificate which would open many more doors for me career-wise.However, I am 2 weeks in and I literally don't think I can make it another 50. I hate every minute. Chambers are lovely and my supervisor is great but I am so anxious and feel horrendous. I cannot work so hard and in the high pressure/scrutiny way that this job requires.To those above who (as you posted one year ago) will have either left pupillage, seen it through then left the bar or seen it through and stayed:- does having a practicing certificate actually open doors ?- and even if it does, do you regret seeing it through and pushing through? i just don't think anything could be worth feeling like this and that I would be doing my life a huge disservice by giving up another 11 months of it to feeling this way.thank you in advance!

Just some very quick thoughts, for what it's worth:

(1) I doubt whether obtaining certification that you have completed pupillage will, of itself, assist you in pursuing non-legal career paths. However, you will have to do something else, and you will, in interviews, most likely, have to explain what you have done previously and how you ended up there. In that regard, you will be saying that the Bar wasn't for you after all, but you will be far more strongly placed if you can say that you saw out pupillage before making that call.

(2) You're two weeks in. How you feel now isn't necessarily how you'll feel throughout. I doubt whether anybody gets through pupillage without feeling some anxiety. If you're feeling really horrible about the pressure you're facing, and so forth, you might want to examine why you're feeling that way, and see if you do anything to alter your approach to it. If you've obtained pupillage, that's a good indicator that you're basically able to handle the pressures. Beyond that, it's really about attitude. There are plenty of barristers who face heavy pressures and are perfectly well adjusted. You just have to believe that you can do it too, and figure out how to get there.

(3) Relatedly, you'll find it quite hard to improve your experience if you start every day thinking that it's inevitably going to be horrible, and, despite what you presumably thought not too long ago, the career is definitely of no interest. If you're going to give it a little more time, which I think you should, try to disregard your current feelings. Try to recall what interested you about the career in the first place. Perhaps set yourself an additional period during which you'll give it another go, try not to dwell on your negative views, and just experience it as it is. If you give yourself a further trial run before making a decision, you'll also have less reason to feel anxious -- if you give it your best, and it turns out you aren't suited to it, then you'll presumably decide to leave anyway. So what's to worry about?

Ultimately, it may be that the best call for you is to get out, but I would make sure I had very fully explored whether I could find a way to get through it before reaching that conclusion.

Reply 24

JRMJF123

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Reading these posts has been really helpful. I've recently started a specialist pupillage and not enjoying it at all. Part of the problem is I really don't like the area of law I'm doing. I find it incredibly confusing, it does not interest me and I have no desire to practice it long term. When I applied 18 moths ago, I didn't know what I was doing. I had a bit of a scatter gun approach and didn't really think what the reality of doing a pupillage in this area would be. Now I'm in it, I'm starting to see how bad that approach was.

My interests have also developed over the last 18 months, which I spent working in a different area of law to the one my pupillage focuses on. I'd really like to go back to that area of law. I'm thinking that if I can see through the 12 months at my current chambers that I'll be able to move to a set that does the area of law I want to do as a third six pupil. But is it possible to do a third six in a completely different area? How does it work leaving a chambers, and do you think my chambers will be really ****ed off at me for saying I don't want to apply for tenancy?

Also, any tips on how to get through a difficult pupillage would be really appreciated! Thanks

Original post by JRMJF123

Reading these posts has been really helpful. I've recently started a specialist pupillage and not enjoying it at all. Part of the problem is I really don't like the area of law I'm doing. I find it incredibly confusing, it does not interest me and I have no desire to practice it long term. When I applied 18 moths ago, I didn't know what I was doing. I had a bit of a scatter gun approach and didn't really think what the reality of doing a pupillage in this area would be. Now I'm in it, I'm starting to see how bad that approach was.

My interests have also developed over the last 18 months, which I spent working in a different area of law to the one my pupillage focuses on. I'd really like to go back to that area of law. I'm thinking that if I can see through the 12 months at my current chambers that I'll be able to move to a set that does the area of law I want to do as a third six pupil. But is it possible to do a third six in a completely different area? How does it work leaving a chambers, and do you think my chambers will be really ****ed off at me for saying I don't want to apply for tenancy?

Also, any tips on how to get through a difficult pupillage would be really appreciated! Thanks

Yes, it is possible to do a third six in a completely different area. Your options may be limited in terms of where you can go, but it is possible, and indeed has happened to someone that I spoke to after they contacted me through these forums. Leaving Chambers isn't difficult in theory. At the end of your pupillage you will either be offered tenancy or you won't, but irrespective if you've already spoken (confidentially) to other sets and (confidentially) received an offer for a third six elsewhere, you just inform your Chambers that you have accepted an offer elsewhere and then you move. If you are offered tenancy (or don't want to apply for tenancy) at your current set, there is most certainly the possibility of them being annoyed with you given that they've put time and money into your development for 12 months. But these things happen. The best you can do is, when the time is right, to be open with your current set (by which I mean at least your head clerk, head of chambers and pupil master) about your situation and why you're moving. They may take it well. They may not. You can't control that. But you can control how you appropriately you deal with it, and burying your head in the sand is not an appropriate way to deal with it. Be open with them, by all means be apologetic (I think it's right to be), but ultimately know that you're making the decision for the right reasons and be content with that. I know that it isn't ever really discussed with students or pupils, but barristers move sets all the time. Fundamentally it isn't that unusual at all. But the Bar is a small place, so it's important to avoid burning bridges, and to that end you should seek to have those difficult conversations and own up to your decisions even when it feels easier not to. Ultimately in the end you'll be more respected for that.

In terms of tips for getting through a difficult pupillage, they are fundamentally very similar to the tips for getting through pupillage. The key one for me is involving other people. Your colleagues in chambers, your pupil master, friends and family. Make use of all of them, whether it's to help with work, integrating more into the work environment, or giving yourself downtime from those things. The Bar in general hasn't been great generally at self care, but I think we are getting a bit better, and being good at it in pupillage is important. So eat well, get enough sleep and get enough exercise. Make time for those things and everything else becomes easier.

If you want to actually talk on the phone, just PM me. You don't need to tell me who you are if you don't want to. I've spoken to quite a few people in similar positions to you (including one in this thread), and some prefer to stay anonymous. I don't mind. The important thing is that I'm here to talk if you want to talk to someone who has relevant knowledge but is completely detached from your own social circles, and who you can ask questions of entirely without judgement. If you want to make use of that, just let me know.

Reply 26

mirispoonie

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Hi JRMJF123, unless things have drastically changed since I was in the law game, you are 100% able to apply for a 3rd six in a different area (obviously you'll need to be able to explain the decision in a well-thought-out way in interview, and it sounds like you have a good reason given that you're not just choosing throwing a dart at the wall). As for how chambers will react - it's the name of the game. It's a year-long interview for both of you. They (ought to) know that they're being assessed as a potential home for the next however many years, and it happens that a pupil will get to the end (or even halfway through) and decide that that particular place is not for them. There is no contractual obligation to stay, nor is there an unspoken rule that you must quit as soon as you've decided you don't like that chambers.As for how to get through a difficult pupillage, I'd ask you to be more specific, but then I'd bow out and allow someone who's actually completed pupillage to answer that one! Best of luck and feel free to PM if you want a chat.

Reply 27

JRMJF123

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Thanks so much. I've just sent you a PM

Original post by Crazy Jamie

Yes, it is possible to do a third six in a completely different area. Your options may be limited in terms of where you can go, but it is possible, and indeed has happened to someone that I spoke to after they contacted me through these forums. Leaving Chambers isn't difficult in theory. At the end of your pupillage you will either be offered tenancy or you won't, but irrespective if you've already spoken (confidentially) to other sets and (confidentially) received an offer for a third six elsewhere, you just inform your Chambers that you have accepted an offer elsewhere and then you move. If you are offered tenancy (or don't want to apply for tenancy) at your current set, there is most certainly the possibility of them being annoyed with you given that they've put time and money into your development for 12 months. But these things happen. The best you can do is, when the time is right, to be open with your current set (by which I mean at least your head clerk, head of chambers and pupil master) about your situation and why you're moving. They may take it well. They may not. You can't control that. But you can control how you appropriately you deal with it, and burying your head in the sand is not an appropriate way to deal with it. Be open with them, by all means be apologetic (I think it's right to be), but ultimately know that you're making the decision for the right reasons and be content with that. I know that it isn't ever really discussed with students or pupils, but barristers move sets all the time. Fundamentally it isn't that unusual at all. But the Bar is a small place, so it's important to avoid burning bridges, and to that end you should seek to have those difficult conversations and own up to your decisions even when it feels easier not to. Ultimately in the end you'll be more respected for that.

In terms of tips for getting through a difficult pupillage, they are fundamentally very similar to the tips for getting through pupillage. The key one for me is involving other people. Your colleagues in chambers, your pupil master, friends and family. Make use of all of them, whether it's to help with work, integrating more into the work environment, or giving yourself downtime from those things. The Bar in general hasn't been great generally at self care, but I think we are getting a bit better, and being good at it in pupillage is important. So eat well, get enough sleep and get enough exercise. Make time for those things and everything else becomes easier.

If you want to actually talk on the phone, just PM me. You don't need to tell me who you are if you don't want to. I've spoken to quite a few people in similar positions to you (including one in this thread), and some prefer to stay anonymous. I don't mind. The important thing is that I'm here to talk if you want to talk to someone who has relevant knowledge but is completely detached from your own social circles, and who you can ask questions of entirely without judgement. If you want to make use of that, just let me know.

Reply 28

JRMJF123

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Original post by mirispoonie

Hi JRMJF123, unless things have drastically changed since I was in the law game, you are 100% able to apply for a 3rd six in a different area (obviously you'll need to be able to explain the decision in a well-thought-out way in interview, and it sounds like you have a good reason given that you're not just choosing throwing a dart at the wall). As for how chambers will react - it's the name of the game. It's a year-long interview for both of you. They (ought to) know that they're being assessed as a potential home for the next however many years, and it happens that a pupil will get to the end (or even halfway through) and decide that that particular place is not for them. There is no contractual obligation to stay, nor is there an unspoken rule that you must quit as soon as you've decided you don't like that chambers.As for how to get through a difficult pupillage, I'd ask you to be more specific, but then I'd bow out and allow someone who's actually completed pupillage to answer that one! Best of luck and feel free to PM if you want a chat.

Thanks so much! Just sent you a PM

Reply 29

17Student17

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It would be a huge mistake to give it up now. All you need to do is coast and be a silent quitter doing the very minimum to ride out the rest of the minimum period. Then as soon as you qualify you can do something else - a business career or in house or government lawyer or work on farm law in a deeply rural practice or all sorts. I fyou don't stick it out then you may well regret it for life.

Reply 30

mirispoonie

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Original post by 17Student17

It would be a huge mistake to give it up now. All you need to do is coast and be a silent quitter doing the very minimum to ride out the rest of the minimum period. Then as soon as you qualify you can do something else - a business career or in house or government lawyer or work on farm law in a deeply rural practice or all sorts. I fyou don't stick it out then you may well regret it for life.

Strongly disagree. Yes, some people are able to coast. But to have gotten to the point where one is searching “quitting pupillage” on Google and posting in this thread, it’s not a given that one is able to continue.

Coasting through pupillage? Whether you’re coasting or really wanting it, you still need the exact same academic abilities, mental and emotional resources and dedication to make it to the end. Only a legal genius can shrug their way to the finish line.

And yes, one may regret quitting. You might also not. I quit 3 years ago and haven’t regretted it for a single second. Another individual who reached out to me from this thread quit and didn’t regret it either. Rather than being a mistake, it may be the best and smartest decision that will open up so many better doors. Or it may be the most inconsequential thing you’ve ever done and you will then be free to develop a career that’s right for you.

The reality - like with any job - is that if you’re convinced (or sometimes deluded) enough that the Bar is right for you, you can very well make it to Pupillage. But when Pupillage kicks you in the gut, and maybe you really don’t have what it takes (no shame) to make it to the finish line, you’re going to have to face this question with courage either way. Maybe you can push yourself to get that practicing cert and you just need support and commiserations, maybe the PC just isn’t worth it. It wasn’t worth it for me. There’s no possible way I could have coasted. Trust me that if there was, I’d have done it! I would much rather have been able to tie a neat bow around 8 years of study and work.

I’m not out to persuade anyone to quit like I did, but I want to stress to anyone finding this thread that quitting does not equal failure, quitting will not ruin your career, not everyone is capable of getting to the end, and whilst you should absolutely check all possible avenues to see if you can at least finish and get your PC, don’t be under the illusion that it’s the only honorable thing to do.

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Reply 31

pupil210

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Hi Everyone,

I am now approaching second six and find myself in the same position - not coping very well at all. I have found the thread useful but wondered if anyone would be happy to talk things over?

Original post by Crazy Jamie

Yes, it is possible to do a third six in a completely different area. Your options may be limited in terms of where you can go, but it is possible, and indeed has happened to someone that I spoke to after they contacted me through these forums. Leaving Chambers isn't difficult in theory. At the end of your pupillage you will either be offered tenancy or you won't, but irrespective if you've already spoken (confidentially) to other sets and (confidentially) received an offer for a third six elsewhere, you just inform your Chambers that you have accepted an offer elsewhere and then you move. If you are offered tenancy (or don't want to apply for tenancy) at your current set, there is most certainly the possibility of them being annoyed with you given that they've put time and money into your development for 12 months. But these things happen. The best you can do is, when the time is right, to be open with your current set (by which I mean at least your head clerk, head of chambers and pupil master) about your situation and why you're moving. They may take it well. They may not. You can't control that. But you can control how you appropriately you deal with it, and burying your head in the sand is not an appropriate way to deal with it. Be open with them, by all means be apologetic (I think it's right to be), but ultimately know that you're making the decision for the right reasons and be content with that. I know that it isn't ever really discussed with students or pupils, but barristers move sets all the time. Fundamentally it isn't that unusual at all. But the Bar is a small place, so it's important to avoid burning bridges, and to that end you should seek to have those difficult conversations and own up to your decisions even when it feels easier not to. Ultimately in the end you'll be more respected for that.

In terms of tips for getting through a difficult pupillage, they are fundamentally very similar to the tips for getting through pupillage. The key one for me is involving other people. Your colleagues in chambers, your pupil master, friends and family. Make use of all of them, whether it's to help with work, integrating more into the work environment, or giving yourself downtime from those things. The Bar in general hasn't been great generally at self care, but I think we are getting a bit better, and being good at it in pupillage is important. So eat well, get enough sleep and get enough exercise. Make time for those things and everything else becomes easier.

If you want to actually talk on the phone, just PM me. You don't need to tell me who you are if you don't want to. I've spoken to quite a few people in similar positions to you (including one in this thread), and some prefer to stay anonymous. I don't mind. The important thing is that I'm here to talk if you want to talk to someone who has relevant knowledge but is completely detached from your own social circles, and who you can ask questions of entirely without judgement. If you want to make use of that, just let me know.

Original post by pupil210

Hi Everyone,

I am now approaching second six and find myself in the same position - not coping very well at all. I have found the thread useful but wondered if anyone would be happy to talk things over?

Yes. My availability is quite limited but send me a message and we'll sort something out.

Reply 33

mirispoonie

OP

6

Original post by pupil210

Hi Everyone,

I am now approaching second six and find myself in the same position - not coping very well at all. I have found the thread useful but wondered if anyone would be happy to talk things over?

PM me if you want!

Reply 34

pupil210

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(Original post by Crazy Jamie)Yes. My availability is quite limited but send me a message and we'll sort something out.

Thank you Jamie. I have just created an account and have to wait a few days before I am able to private message but as soon as I can, I will. Thank you :smile:

Reply 35

Advocates

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Know a guy who quit pupillage but he was barely started (not even sure he accepted the offer), but he’d know more about the process, is that what you want to know? The process?

Original post by mirispoonie

I'm almost 4 months in and I don't think I ever wanted this. I don't like so many aspects of it and I think I want out of the law. I initially thought I'd just ride out the rest a) for the money and b) to be able to say I've finished it, but I don't think I'll actually make it to the end physically, mentally and emotionally. I'm wondering if I should cut my losses and leave now, or at the end of First Six at least.

The problem is, I can't find a single account online of someone who's actually quit pupillage (although there are several posts on quitting TCs). It almost feels taboo. I'm just looking for some guidance.

Anyone?

Reply 36

mirispoonie

OP

6

Original post by Advocates

Know a guy who quit pupillage but he was barely started (not even sure he accepted the offer), but he’d know more about the process, is that what you want to know? The process?

Hi, my original post (that you replied to) is this almost 4 years old! Thank you, though. Having said that, there are always other pupils looking for guidance here, so if you do have wisdom, it won’t go unappreciated.

Edit: autocorrect typo

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Reply 37

vnupe

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Original post by pupil210

Hi Everyone,

I am now approaching second six and find myself in the same position - not coping very well at all. I have found the thread useful but wondered if anyone would be happy to talk things over?

I am available to have a chat... let me know your availability.

Regards,

Reply 38

Pupil109

3

Original post by Crazy Jamie

Yes. My availability is quite limited but send me a message and we'll sort something out.

Has anyone ever withdrawn from pupillage and reapplied elsewhere due to health reasons? @Crazy Jamie it won’t let me message you, but do you have any availability to talk my options through with me?

Original post by Pupil109

Has anyone ever withdrawn from pupillage and reapplied elsewhere due to health reasons? @Crazy Jamie it won’t let me message you, but do you have any availability to talk my options through with me?

I think there's a time limit before you can send private messages when making a new account. In that situation you'd normally defer the pupillage that you have rather than withdrawing from it and reapplying elsewhere. In theory you can withdraw from a pupillage in most situations and reapply elsewhere, but generally speaking if you have a pupillage you don't want to voluntarily let it go. Once you have completed first and second six (and sometimes only first six, but second six only pupillages are not common) at one set you can then do a third six elsewhere much easier than it would be to reapply for pupillage again afresh at another set, so you really do want to be completing the pupillage you have if you can. I'll send you a PM now and you can reply when you're able to.

I'm considering quitting Pupillage. Has anyone done that before?

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