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jismith1989
I thought that the one exception to your repulsive (my words, not yours :p:) laissez-faire libertarianism was immigration policy, with you being a second-generation (or third- or whatever, I can't remember) immigrant yourself.


I'm not an immigrant; I was born with British citizenship. Besideswhich, Powells speech certainly wasn't racist... it was just a warning that racism would rise significantly if you allow unmanaged immigration.
Much as I disagree with him, Hague is briliant in PMQs.

Also, Vince Cable was awesome
Bagration
I'm not an immigrant; I was born with British citizenship. Besideswhich, Powells speech certainly wasn't racist... it was just a warning that racism would rise significantly if you allow unmanaged immigration.

I said second- or third-generation immigrant. And it did have very strong racist overtones; redolent of British imperialism.
jismith1989
I said second- or third-generation immigrant. And it did have very strong racist overtones; redolent of British imperialism.

I'm not second or third generation, either.

I don't think it was racist at all.
Vince Cable is pretty good too, I guess.

Cameron has nothing on Hague.
Reply 25
Mrs T has to be the best of all time though, like her or not
Bagration
I'm not second or third generation, either.

I don't think it was racist at all.

Fair enough. Nevertheless, you do have Asian heritage. I know that we most probably all do, but you can see what I'm getting at.

I quote from the speech (and you can honestly tell me you do not find these statements racist?):

[INDENT]'In this country in 15 or 20 years time the black man will have the whip hand over the white man.'

'She is becoming afraid to go out. Windows are broken. She finds excreta pushed through her letterbox. When she goes to the shops, she is followed by children, charming, wide-grinning piccaninnies. They cannot speak English, but one word they know. "Racialist", they chant.'[/INDENT]
jismith1989
'In this country in 15 or 20 years time the black man will have the whip hand over the white man.'

That was something that one of his constituents said to him, it wasn't original content invented by Powell.

jismith1989
'She is becoming afraid to go out. Windows are broken. She finds excreta pushed through her letterbox. When she goes to the shops, she is followed by children, charming, wide-grinning piccaninnies. They cannot speak English, but one word they know. "Racialist", they chant.'

I don't see how that is at all racist if that is a fact and not an invented scenario.
Bagration
That was something that one of his constituents said to him, it wasn't original content invented by Powell.


I don't see how that is at all racist if that is a fact and not an invented scenario.

Nonetheless, why repeat it in such terms without any caveat? He could surely have paraphrased his constituent without using such racially divisive terms without distancing himself from them in any way.

It was an invented scenario: he was talking about 'the Britain of the future'.
One more vote for William Hague here.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=l6Cj1b-rp1E
Reply 30
Gordon Brown, anyone?!

Cable - so he gives a couple of funny questions at a couple of PMQs whilse he was acting leader in Parliament - that makes him the best orator in Parliament? No way, absolutely no way. Has anyone noticed how he was ****ting himself when he had stand up. He probably had to practice walking into Parliament for PMQs before he actually managed to find the door. Besides, everytime he speaks, he's snippy like a squirrel. His facial expression is nose raised and two front teeth stuck out. Definitely, definitely not Parliament's best orator. As with all these Liberals, they need a few stiff drinks before they can start talking politics.

Cameron - excellent, I would say. In recent PMQs he has consistently been in control and has consistently performed better than Gordon Brown. When it isn't PMQs, though, he isn't that good. He can't deliver a good speech in other words. Much as he doesn't want to be seen to be pro-punch&judy politics, it is that kind of politics that suits him best.

Clarke - I do like Ken Clarke. Authoratative. Powerful. Commanding. Great voice. Towering figure in the party. Its always great when he stands up in Parliament.

Clegg - tries to impersonate Cameron...and fails...badly

Hague - is certainly one of the contenders for the best orators in Parliament. When he was leader of the Conservatives, he was great at some PMQs. Recently, though, he's had his ass kicked by Harriet Harman. He's been on the back foot: coming up with great counters to her attacks, but nothing that authentic of his own. Outside of Parliament, he's a great public speaker, I've seen him give speeches a fair few times.

Harman - Harriet Harman deserves a mention because she is probably Labour's best in Parliament (omitting some good, but anonymous, back-benchers in the Labour party). She can be funny, she can deliver a good speech and she's good to watch.

Sir Peter Tapsell - anybody remember any of his recent performances at PMQs. Always funny.
jismith1989
George Osborne is annoying. During PMQs, whenever Cameron says anything moderately witty, he almost breaks in to two and laughs over-heartily with that Julain-Clary-style look he has. He reminds me of the school bully's smaller sidekick. :p:


I've noticed that too. I feel like punching him.

Anyway the best orator is John Prescott.
Reply 32
How about in the USA? Clinton was by a mile
I've always thought Alex Salmond was very good.

Charles Kennedy perhaps?
Reply 34
Certainly not Anne Widdecombe. What a manwhore.
Past - Enoch Powell

Today, hard to decided, I think Hague is good, Cameron is too though not as naturally talented, and Miliband but I dont know that latter enough to make a good judgement.
o and The Duke of Montrose , though im only saying this because i say a debate on tv where he performed very well
Reply 37
David Milliband? Really? He puts everyone to sleep in Parliament.

What about Ed Balls with his "So what?" during the Budget debate?

Another good contender for the best orator in Parliament is David Davis. Anyone agree?
Reply 38
I'm no Tory but Hague is excellent.
Reply 39
William Hague is an extremely good orator I agree. I actully think David Cameron is quite good as well, I feel, especially at PMQ's. I do find myself disagreeing with pretty much everything they say, but nevertheless.

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