Mandatory vaccination

Technically the polio vaccines aren’t always agreed to be 100% effective, there are different statistics from 90% to 99%. Also, at the time when it was introduced, these statistics aren’t made available because they haven’t been achieved at that time yet.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1957/02/how-good-is-the-polio-vaccine/303946/
This article touches on some similar characteristics with the current C vaccines, in that it’s effectiveness is mostly for the vaccinated person. Thought it might be interesting to read a 1957 article for fun too.

Polio isn’t the only disease to have been made obsolete for the general public though. MMR vaccines are only 88% effective against mumps, but it’s somewhat successful too.

You're talking about killing people there - very different to protecting people with a vaccine.

If you want to catch covid and die then it is your body and it's your business so crack on. But in the process you are potentially passing covid on to other people and they might die, they didn't want to die, they might have wanted the vaccine but couldn't have it, they just wanted to live. But hey ho, it's their vulnerability and why should we care about other people?

Fun fact, Singapore has a national weight management programme. I’ve read an essay in general paper before that talks about obese people leeching off national (Singapore’s healthcare isn’t even fully publicly-funded) resources

Right here's how i see it. The labour party will be as bad as the Conservative party for the sleaze but the media cover it up because they support the socialist party and are left-wing orientated. There will be mandatory vaccines there's no question about that. It is freedom of choice and if this which is looking likely does happen he has to resign because he is stopping civil liberties. What doesn't get discussed is the dirt in which the civil servants working in number 10 dig up on the pm and the pm gets flack as he is seen ad the figure head to the public yet it will be a civil servant who passes the information about the sleaze to the media. The civil service un number 10 no matter which pm is corrupt. The restrictions set out by the government are very socialist so the opposition does not argue with the government on this and they support tighter measures. We can say yes the omicron variant is more deadly but we just do not know so bringing in these measures may be ott and everything. I am not a denier at all. All I'm saying is no matter which party is in no good solution comes from this and we'll be with this for decades upon decades. Lockdown in winter open up in summer this is the norm. You can make arguments yes the economy will collapse but they say we don't want to lockdown yet we do time and time again. Boris and keir have no clue in what they're doing and it will only get worse

i do actually.
and why do you think? actual vaccines produce immunity. covid vaccine is just about as effective as the flu jab. which is not very effective at all against all these new variants.
just because someone doesn't want to get the covid 'vaccine' doesn't mean they're against actual vaccines. why should we blindly trust medical professionals? tuskegee is just one of many reasons why we shouldn't

and yet people with 2 jabs + booster still manage to catch it. how many more jabs do you need, 5?

pfizer. it's still 'emergency-use only'.
what about the increasing numbers of myocarditis in young people? it does seem to be linked to the vaccine.

This topic has been much discussed in various threads on TSR. Here is a summary of the case against mandatory vaccination for Covid-19.

First, although Covid-19 is a very serious disease it is only fatal in a small number of cases (well below 1%). Most of the people who are likely to get seriously ill and hospitalised are over 60, and most of them have chosen to be vaccinated.

Second, the vaccines only offer protection against serious illness and death in the individuals who receive them. Their impact on infection and transmission is limited - especially with the new Omicron variant, against which they are only effective after 3 doses. So far, the protection only lasts a few months before another jab is needed. Therefore a vaccine mandate is an order to get jabbed over and over again.

So if the disease was deadly and the vaccines offered a high degree of efficacy (as with Smallpox, for example) there might be a better argument for making the vaccines compulsory.

The vaccine mandates in the USA have already run into serious trouble in the courts and the implementation is currently suspended. If they ever were implemented they could lead to violence on the streets. There is also the danger of fraud, with people faking vaccine cards. (This has already happened in the US).

In Austria and Greece, where fines are being proposed, wealthy people would be able to pay them in order to avoid being vaccinated but poor people would struggle - even with means testing. Austria, for example, is proposing a fine of up to €3,600 for every 3 months that a person refuses the vaccine. This is just one way in which the policy is unethical and discriminatory.

In the UK, mandatory vaccines are currently illegal under Section 45 of the Public Health (Control of Diseases) Act 1984. That would have to be repealed before there could be mandatory vaccination. It is unlikely that Parliament would agree to that. The biggest danger here is with more and more employers implementing their own mandates to bully people into being vaccinated against their wishes.

This is a well balanced, short article on why we should not copy other countries and try to impose a general vaccine mandate here. However, it does not take full account of the practical difficulties of introducing mandates in the countries that have already decided to do so. The US federal administration is already in deep trouble and I suspect the Austrian and Greek governments might eventually be forced to think again.

Why the UK shouldn’t introduce mandatory COVID vaccination
(December 6, 2021 12.00pm GMT)


https://theconversation.com/why-the-uk-shouldnt-introduce-mandatory-covid-vaccination-173179

The vaccine isn't going to stop people from catching COVID and transmitting it, but it does massively reduce the time you're likely to be infectious for (i.e. pass it on.) It also doesn't stop you from dying, it just minimizes the risk. This effect isn't the same in everyone either- it'll minimize it, but a vaccine can only do so much to bolster the immune system of some random 70-yo with comorbidities. The aim of the game is to get as many people vaccinated as physically possible to minimize the risk.

While most people already have the vaccine (so honestly this mandatory-vaccine nonsense is just ridiculous and unnecessary) it's necessary to limit those who are refusing it through some way, because of the character and behaviour of those people.

An old person vaccinated sitting at home has no care for vaccine passports- why would they? The clubber/partygoer, the medical professional or office worker, or the student/traveller- these are the ones who will go and mingle in socially dense spaces, and are the more at-risk ones when it comes to their tendency to spread the virus.

The well-behaved ones will have a vaccine passport, be more mindful of their surrounds, regularly test, and generally show care- they're socially responsible and recognize that society as a whole benefits from this behaviour- these are the ones not winging about vaccine passports, and the ones that understand that COVID isn't different from other pathogens out there as long as we take the time to get to a point of controlling it and fully inoculating it, and getting society adapted to it. Overall, if one of these chaps caught it, they'd be far less likely to spread it, purely by their character.

The less-behaved ones will see vaccine passports and limitations on the unvaccinated as limiting their freedom, and see it as an attack on their "human rights" or whatever other arguments you see. They'll argue COVID isn't something to worry about, and that it isn't something worth all this trouble- they'll think that the vaccinated fear the unvaccinated, or they'll argue that the economy has suffered enough. They'll go to socially dense spaces and think that since everyone is vaccinated except them, there is nothing to worry about- everyone else is clearly safe and no one would die if they caught COVID and gave it to someone vaccinated- there's no worry. They won't take precautions, they won't care.