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Reply 1
y=x(x1)(x2)y = x(x-1)(x-2)

In fact, given three roots, there is a cubic with those roots
Yes, there are.

y = (x+1)(x+2)(x+3)

Multiply that out, and you'll get a cubic with three real, distinct roots.
Do you want a condition for three roots?
Reply 4
DeanK22
Do you want a condition for three roots?


I do, lol. :biggrin:
SimonM
y=x(x1)(x2)y = x(x-1)(x-2)

In fact, given three roots, there is a cubic with those roots


Of course, it does seem pretty obvious now :tongue:

DeanK22
Do you want a condition for three roots?


Yes please. I already know a condition for one root:

f'(x)>0

Actually, come to think of it I can probably work the other two out:


Two roots: Impossible as complex roots occur in pairs. (Or if there are repeated roots in which case there is a turning point at the x-axis)
Three roots: Two turning points. One at y>0 and one at y<0.

Is that correct?

Thanks so far everyone!
Let the polynomial in x of degree 3 be of the form;

f(x)=ax3+bx2+cx+d f(x) = ax^3 + bx^2 + cx + d ; a =/= 0


Spoiler



We now consider the derivitive of the derivitive of f(x).

f(x)=3ax2+2bx+c f'(x) = 3ax^2 + 2bx + c

Solve the quadratic (assuming we have real solution(s) as if not the cubic has no turning points and hence one root)

Let the solutions to the quadratic be p p and q q

These are the coordinates of the turning points. Substitute them back into f(x) to obtain two pairs of coordinates (p,s) and (q,t)

Can you see how we can go on from there ? What about the signs? Are there any special considerations we need to look into?
DeanK22
Let the polynomial in x of degree 3 be of the form;

f(x)=ax3+bx2+cx+d f(x) = ax^3 + bx^2 + cx + d ; a =/= 0


Spoiler



We now consider the derivitive of the derivitive of f(x).

f(x)=3ax2+2bx+c f'(x) = 3ax^2 + 2bx + c

Solve the quadratic (assuming we have real solution(s) as if not the cubic has no turning points and hence one root)

Let the solutions to the quadratic be p p and q q

These are the coordinates of the turning points. Substitute them back into f(x) to obtain two pairs of coordinates (p,s) and (q,t)

Can you see how we can go on from there ? What about the signs? Are there any special considerations we need to look into?


So for one root f'(x)>0 if a>0 and f'(x)<0 if a<0
For two roots s=0 and t&#8800;0 regardless of a's value
For three roots s<0 and t>0 regardless of a's value

I can't really think of any special considerations yet.
electriic_ink
So for one root f'(x)>0 if a>0 and f'(x)<0 if a<0
For two roots s=0 and t&#8800;0 regardless of a's value
For three roots s<0 and t>0 regardless of a's value

I can't really think of any special considerations yet.


the sign of f'(x) is unimportant. Any cubic you imagine has one root indefinitely. You have got the right idea [though not all considerations]. Try multiplying s and t together. Anything that you should note about the sign? What if s < 0 and t < 0, etc ? What if there is one turning point, etc ? What if there are no turning points ?

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