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My paedophile used to draw me naked. I still shudder whenever I hear a pencil scraping across paper.

Please vote against this horrible idea.
Nativeenglish
So are you morally opposed to those attracted to children masturbating?

Yes I am people shouldn't need to relieve themselves of such urges they should be able to control them.
It's not about porn stopping people from having sex, you could easily turn the argument around and say that violence in the media/video games/movies causes more violence in society.

Yes I am people shouldn't need to relieve themselves of such urges they should be able to control them.


Why should people have to control their urges? I am trying to remember the Matrix quote about the realization of urges making us human... but anyway, as long as the relief of the urge does not cause others undue or unnecessary harm it should be fine!
Reply 83
I think the biggest problem is how do you know how old a cartoon character is? Will it just be deemed illegal if they are in a school uniform? But it's legal to have porn with adults wearing a school uniform. Will it be judged on breast size? I.e. if a character's breasts are too small they are considered a child. That sounds a bit insulting to women who are humble in the chest department.
BillyBlanks
It currently happens pedophiles who are caught are sent to jail


Like I said before, you can't put an age on animation. Japan, as far as I'm aware, has some very strage censor laws, including no pubic hair, etc. This means that pretty often, the subjects look like children anyway. There's no real definition, and it isn't as the OP proposed, openly child porn.
Reply 85
BillyBlanks
It currently happens pedophiles who are caught are sent to jail

What if people who are struggling with their urges feel their only choice is to harm a real child? You don't think it's a good idea to give them an alternate choice that harms no one?
BillyBlanks
Yes I am people shouldn't need to relieve themselves of such urges they should be able to control them.

Ha! Somebody who thinks it's wrong to masturbate. Whatever next.
Reply 87
Psyk
I think the biggest problem is how do you know how old a cartoon character is? Will it just be deemed illegal if they are in a school uniform? But it's legal to have porn with adults wearing a school uniform. Will it be judged on breast size? I.e. if a character's breasts are too small they are considered a child. That sounds a bit insulting to women who are humble in the chest department.

Wouldn't you just draw/animate it in a way that's appealing to the target group? :confused: And the cartoons characters or computerized characters can make statements that indicate that they are supposed to be a certain age...

I don't see how this can be the biggest problem.
I think it's pretty obvious that the character would look like a child. That wouldn't be a huge problem.
EskimoJo
What if people who are struggling with their urges feel their only choice is to harm a real child? You don't think it's a good idea to give them an alternate choice that harms no one?

Good point i guess you would have to give them the alt choice
Reply 90
Sakura-Chan
I think it'll make things worse.

For example:
Normal guy gets intrigued by anime child porn - likes it - gets a real 'taste' for it - goes looking for the real thing.

It's still the same in principle, even if it is a cartoon, it's still of a child. Also, the men (and/or women?) getting off over are still more likely to visualise a real child rather than a drawing in the mind.


This. You never know, it might unleash the inner peadophile that a person never knew he had :no:.
Nativeenglish
Ha! Somebody who thinks it's wrong to masturbate. Whatever next.

perhaps I am wrong
Reply 92
EskimoJo
How about prescribing it to the people who ask for help, then applying much harsher punishments/sentences to the people who don't ask for help, but instead go and abuse a child? Not just making it illegal and readily available?


Mmmm lolicon on perscription... Think of the social stigma of being on that, eveyone would treat you like a child rapist even if you'd done nothing wrong.

Psyk
I think the biggest problem is how do you know how old a cartoon character is? Will it just be deemed illegal if they are in a school uniform? But it's legal to have porn with adults wearing a school uniform. Will it be judged on breast size? I.e. if a character's breasts are too small they are considered a child. That sounds a bit insulting to women who are humble in the chest department.


This is the main reason why I think the laws brought into the UK in January regarding cartoon and comic characters "Under the age of 18" Is totally stupid and dangerous, it being so subjective and such a highly emotive subject. Laws with such harsh punishments (up to 15 years for distribution, not sure for possession) should be clear and well diffined not wishy washy.
Reply 93
DisgruntledMoth
Interesting idea, but I do think that it would leak somewhere along the line. Just the whole process of actually making child-specific animation pornography would be incredibly unusual and would lack backing. As I said before, there aren't studios dedicated to this sort of thing, and even creating animation for treatment of individuals is unheard of.

It would be expensive as well- not something the average taxpayer would support in the slightest. Ooh arr me monies goin to the pedophiles.

Maybe not dedicated studios, but there are already many people out there that make animated child porn. I'm sure they would be happy to be paid and have a bit more freedom.
If people think their monies are going to the protection of children rather than to paedophiles then I'm sure the taxpayer will shut up. Of course there will need to be intense studies on how watching animated child porn affects paedos and/or child abusers before anything goes ahead. If there is wide evidence that it is enough to release their urges, it seems to me that only an idiot would still complain about its use.
There will be ways of stopping it leaking and creating harsher punishments for those who illegally distribute it would help. Why would people want to anyway? Who will be the target? As long as anyone who is worrying about their feelings could securely, easily and possibly discretely come and get help, and a limited and temporary access to the animation, then there would be no need for a black market of leaked porn.
Reply 94
FatFridge
This. You never know, it might unleash the inner peadophile that a person never knew he had .

I don't think anyone is suggesting that animated child porn should be in the comic section of the daily papers or anything...
If you knew it was out there (and it is :rolleyes:) and you knew where it was, would you go and look at it? Just out of interest...
The Constitution in America was changed to ALLOW digitally created child porn, potentially as a preventative measure. It was in the Rehnquist SC I think, but I can't remember specifically.
I've only ever seen evidence against the provision of child pornography (animated or otherwise) in decreasing child abuse and the activity of paedophiles.

I've never seen any evidence to support the hypothesis of it "releasing urges" and therefore protecting children.

Posted heaps of it in that other thread. Cba to find it all again.
Reply 97
EskimoJo
I don't think anyone is suggesting that animated child porn should be in the comic section of the daily papers or anything...
If you knew it was out there (and it is :rolleyes:) and you knew where it was, would you go and look at it? Just out of interest...


Personally no. I dont like anime at all nevermind anime pornography or even anime child pornography. :yep:
Reply 98
To be honest, when homosexuality was illegal (was it?) and frowned upon, I can't even imagine how gay people coped! It must have been horrible.

I'm a virgin and have pretty much given up on men :shifty: but I can't imagine how it must feel to be told you can never, not that it probably won't happen (:cry:) but that you can never have sex with the type of person you are attracted to. It's not like saying to an ugly guy, you will never have sex with a 'fit' girl, that does and can happen, it's not like you've taken a vow and can, in theory, change your mind at some point, it's not like saying you have an injury that means you cannot have sex - everything is there and is working, you just can't. That must be hell. I'm pretty ok with never having had sex (oh, porn helps a lot to stop me going crazy with frustration btw - well, would you look at that!), but if someone told me that sex with men was not allowed anymore, I'm sure my head would explode. Sure I could have sex with women, but I'm convinced that at some point, I would go crazy. If someone then took my porn away, so I couldn't even look at/read/hear about men having sex with women and pretend it was me, I would be a broken woman. :sadnod:
Reply 99
FatFridge
Personally no. I dont like anime at all nevermind anime pornography or even anime child pornography.

Then it's unlikely that any other normal person who also finds it abhorrent would go and watch it (and watch it so much that they found themselves 'turned' by it), no?

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