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Original post by kerily
I think that being gay will eventually be fully accepted (there are already areas in which it is - for example, your school year sounds on the whole pretty tolerant, at least compared to mine). But it's whether this happens at the expense of another minority. I see a lot of transphobic opinions within the LGB community, and a lot of anti-discrimination events/organisations that completely ignore transgender people. For example, Stonewall is an LGB organisation and not an LGBT one (completely forgetting their roots...), the International Day against Homophobia and Transphobia was abbreviated IDAHO, a lot of internet things etc talk about 'gay bullying' and totally ignore transphobic bullying...


Why shouldn't they ignore it? Transsexuality is a very different issue from homosexuality, it makes very little sense for them to be bound together all the time. LGB organisations don't campaign about racism, but it doesn't make them racist.
Original post by Lewis :D
I think he's asking are you gay, but purposely trying to be offensive :lol:


Oh okay...:tongue: I am obviously so offended right now :rolleyes: :wink:
Reply 62
Original post by KatieKate
I have a gay friend and I hate to admit that I'm quite intolerant, but then that's only because I wish he'd stop talking about bum sex all the time.


One of the main arguments against homosexuals is they should stop forcing their sexuality upon everyone by talking about it all the time, but what a lot of people don't realise is that many straights talk about their sexuality a LOT, probably more so than a lot of gay people.

I have many straight male friends and a lot of conversations end up being about boobs, sex, who they scored last night, boobs, who is fit on TV/in their class, etc, and more boobs. Straight females are also guilty, but probably to a lesser extent. Regardless I think overall the UK is becoming more tolerant which is great. :gah:
Original post by Organ
Being a gaylord sounds pretty cool. Imagine being lord of all the gays.


Arghhhh no reps left.

I would love to be lady of the gays. In fact, I demand to be called gaylady.

In answer to OP, the fact that my partners Jamaican family, my Catholic family and others who - due to cultural and religious upbringings - we thought unlikely to attend came and celebrated our civil partnership this year and have accepted that we are wife and wife does give me hope (though maybe it was the free bar...). My Irish Catholic grandmother (who calls gay people 'funny folk') even sent us a gift. I know that's just me but I'm pretty confident 50 years ago these same people/social equivalents of them wouldn't have attended and supported a gay marriage.

I'm really really hopeful that things will change. It seems as if we are on the brink, though I wonder what a feminist 30/40 years ago would have said if they were told that in 2011 we still wouldn't have equal pay for women in this country :eek:
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Original post by SwingOnTheSpiral88
I don't think it's gayness that really bothers people, I think it's more the campness. There's nothing more sickening than a grown man acting like an 8 year old girl and I think that's where a lot of the hate really comes from. If you're gonna be gay then fair enough, but if you're gonna be camp then you deserve all the phobia you get I'd say.


So getting beaten up/verbally attacked is justified if you find that persons mannerisms annoying? :rolleyes:

I don't know quite why straight males find camp behaviour so threatening. It's a little pathetic, really. No one is forcing you to be friends with them or even talk to them.
Original post by minacolada
So getting beaten up/verbally attacked is justified if you find that persons mannerisms annoying? :rolleyes:

I don't know quite why straight males find camp behaviour so threatening. It's a little pathetic, really. No one is forcing you to be friends with them or even talk to them.


you're right, it is pathetic. and irritating.
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Original post by minacolada
Arghhhh no reps left.

I would love to be lady of the gays. In fact, I demand to be called gaylady.

In answer to OP, the fact that my partners Jamaican family, my Catholic family and others who - due to cultural and religious upbringinds - we thought unlikely to attend came and celebrated our civil partnership this year and have accepted that we are wife and wife does give me hope (though maybe it was the free bar...). My Irish Catholic grandmother (who calls gay people 'funny folk') even sent us a gift. I know that's just me but I'm pretty confident 50 years ago these same people/social equivalents of them wouldn't have attended and supported a gay marriage.

I'm really really hopeful that things will changg. It seems as if we are on the brink, though I wonder what a feminist 30/40 years ago would have said if they were told that in 2011 we still wouldn't have equal pay for women in this country :eek:


Congratulations! :biggrin:
Original post by Lewis :D
Congratulations! :biggrin:


Thanks :biggrin::colondollar:
Original post by alphabet
if someone is gay because of their genetics (which hasn't been proven btw) they should not condemned. if someone is gay by choice, they should be condemned because in doing so they are taking an active decision to go against the purpose of our bodies, which is to breed with the opposite sex.

that however doesn't mean i hate homosexuals; i dislike the practice. likewise i do not hate people who litter by choice; i dislike the practice.


nurture =/= choice.
Reply 69
Original post by minacolada
So getting beaten up/verbally attacked is justified if you find that persons mannerisms annoying? :rolleyes:

I don't know quite why straight males find camp behaviour so threatening. It's a little pathetic, really. No one is forcing you to be friends with them or even talk to them.


It's not threatening it's just outright annoying and often intrusive. You pretty much have to take a tough approach against them or they don't get the message. Last time I had a queer think it was 'humorous' to touch me I broke his arm within 5 seconds (it's one of the perks of knowing aikido) needless to say he wasn't laughing very much anymore as he was rolling around on the floor crying.
Reply 70
Original post by mau5
It's not threatening it's just outright annoying and often intrusive. You pretty much have to take a tough approach against them or they don't get the message. Last time I had a queer think it was 'humorous' to touch me I broke his arm within 5 seconds (it's one of the perks of knowing aikido) needless to say he wasn't laughing very much anymore as he was rolling around on the floor crying.


We can assume that this was either a long time ago or a made up event: otherwise you'd be in prison.

My money is on the latter.
Reply 71
Original post by mmmpie
We can assume that this was either a long time ago or a made up event: otherwise you'd be in prison.

My money is on the latter.


Why? The person tried to touch him, it's not exactly a nice feeling being touched without someone's consent.
Reply 72
Original post by Lewis :D
Why? The person tried to touch him, it's not exactly a nice feeling being touched without someone's consent.


Gay panic is not a defence. Hasn't been for a long time.

The use of disproportionate force is not self defence, it's why bumpkins aren't allowed to shoot trespassers. That's been the case for a long time too.

And if he knows aikido then he knows how to incapacitate someone without breaking their arm.
Reply 73
Original post by mmmpie
Gay panic is not a defence. Hasn't been for a long time.

The use of disproportionate force is not self defence, it's why bumpkins aren't allowed to shoot trespassers. That's been the case for a long time too.

And if he knows aikido then he knows how to incapacitate someone without breaking their arm.


I didn't mean 'gay panic', I meant surely you have the right to stop someone touching you, although breaking someone's arm is a bit over the top. A small nudge words for me.
Reply 74
Original post by PeaceFreak
My first... discoveries of the "pleasures" of the internet were all straight but after the initial "wowza" I began to find that it wasn't what I was interested in and soon turned to gay oriented sites etc.


Same. Except I started only watching lesbian porn; too much penis in the straight stuff - makes me feel sick watching it. I guess I'm a lesbian in a man's body. :biggrin:
Reply 75
Original post by Lewis :D
I didn't mean 'gay panic', I meant surely you have the right to stop someone touching you, although breaking someone's arm is a bit over the top. A small nudge words for me.


That much yes. However there is insufficient context: what does he mean by touching? Under what circumstances did this occur?

In lieu of further information he basically just bragged about homophobicly aggravated GBH - whilst simultaneously explaining why he should be expected to know better. If he is an aikido practitioner then breaking somebody's arm merely for touching him is always going to be some flavour of assault regardless of circumstances. All this I take grave issue with.
meh, I suppose I don't really have very many issues with people about my sexuality, mainly because I don't go round telling people. There's a girl in my year who is also a lesbian and is all militant and campaigny about it. I just like girls :sad:
Original post by mmmpie
We can assume that this was either a long time ago or a made up event: otherwise you'd be in prison.

My money is on the latter.


Not really. A lot of assaults like these aren't reported. I've seen plenty of dudes get dropped for simply barging another dude. It's the equivalent of a touching a girl on her ass and finding out she knows martial arts via the way she drops you. You probably won't report it.
Reply 78
Original post by medbh4805
meh, I suppose I don't really have very many issues with people about my sexuality, mainly because I don't go round telling people. There's a girl in my year who is also a lesbian and is all militant and campaigny about it. I just like girls :sad:

Random question, but what's it like being gay in NI?
Original post by mmmpie
That much yes. However there is insufficient context: what does he mean by touching? Under what circumstances did this occur?

In lieu of further information he basically just bragged about homophobicly aggravated GBH - whilst simultaneously explaining why he should be expected to know better. If he is an aikido practitioner then breaking somebody's arm merely for touching him is always going to be some flavour of assault regardless of circumstances. All this I take grave issue with.


Wut? If a random guy grabbed my arse and I slapped him would that be "heterophobically aggravated GBH"?

double standards like this just feed homophobia

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