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I'm stuck on a question that I remember doing but I've ended up forgetting.

Coordinates given for ABCD (-5,0),(0,5),(3,4)(4,-3)

Lines AC and BD intersect at E.
> Show that the coordinates of E are (1,3)

How do I work out the intersection point?

Notes: AC Gradient = 1/2
BD Gradient = -2/1
(They're perpendicular)

Equation AC is x-2y+5 = 0
Equation BD is y=-2x+5

Please help :smile:
Original post by slot_
I'm stuck on a question that I remember doing but I've ended up forgetting.

Coordinates given for ABCD (-5,0),(0,5),(3,4)(4,-3)

Lines AC and BD intersect at E.
> Show that the coordinates of E are (1,3)

How do I work out the intersection point?

Notes: AC Gradient = 1/2
BD Gradient = -2/1
(They're perpendicular)

Equation AC is x-2y+5 = 0
Equation BD is y=-2x+5

Please help :smile:


If you draw two lines on a graph and make them intersect, you will see that their intersection has the same co-ordinates, which means the same point is on the two different lines and so satisfies both equations.

Does that give you a hint as to how you can solve those two equations at the same time?
(edited 7 years ago)
Reply 2
Original post by SeanFM
If you draw two lines on a graph and make them intersect, you will see that their intersection has the same co-ordinates.

Does that give you a hint as to how you can solve those two equations at the same time?


Simultaneous?
Original post by SeanFM
If you draw two lines on a graph and make them intersect, you will see that their intersection has the same co-ordinates.

Does that give you a hint as to how you can solve those two equations at the same time?


Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..........

Same time, eh?........


Yeh I don't get it :/
Original post by slot_
Simultaneous?


Precisely :h:
Reply 5
Original post by SeanFM
Precisely :h:


Derp, I got it now. Just needed the pointer lol

For anyone who may want to correct me :smile:

AC Gradient = 1/2, Equation = 2y = x+5.
BD = 2y = -2x + 5 with Gradient of -2

-2x + 5 = 1/2x + 5/2
when you multiply by 2 to get whole numbers
-4x + 10 = x + 5
rearrange
(-5) + 10 = x + 4x
5 = 5x
x = 1
Substitute in to later equation so 2y = x + 5
2y = 1 + 5
2y = 6
y = 6/3
y = 3

(1,3)
Original post by slot_
Derp, I got it now. Just needed the pointer lol

For anyone who may want to correct me :smile:

AC Gradient = 1/2, Equation = 2y = x+5.
BD = 2y = -2x + 5 with Gradient of -2

-2x + 5 = 1/2x + 5/2
when you multiply by 2 to get whole numbers
-4x + 10 = x + 5
rearrange
(-5) + 10 = x + 4x
5 = 5x
x = 1
Substitute in to later equation so 2y = x + 5
2y = 1 + 5
2y = 6
y = 6/3
y = 3

(1,3)


A good way to check your answer is to see if the point satisfies both equations.. after all, that is what you're finding :tongue:
Original post by SeanFM
Precisely :h:


OKAY I THINK I GOT IT

Step 1: Rearrange equations
x2y=5x-2y=-5
2x+y=52x+y=5

Step 2: Represent in matrix form

[1221][xy]=[55]\begin{bmatrix} 1 & -2 \\ 2 & 1 \end{bmatrix} \begin{bmatrix} x \\ y \end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix} -5 \\ 5 \end{bmatrix}

Step 3: Find the inverse matrix

[1221]1=15[1221]\begin{bmatrix} 1 & -2 \\ 2 & 1 \end{bmatrix}^{-1} = \frac{1}{5}\begin{bmatrix} 1 & 2 \\ -2 & 1 \end{bmatrix}

Step 4: Pre-multiply by the inverse matrix
[1221]1[1221][xy]=[1221]1[55]\begin{bmatrix} 1 & -2 \\ 2 & 1 \end{bmatrix}^{-1} \begin{bmatrix} 1 & -2 \\ 2 & 1 \end{bmatrix} \begin{bmatrix} x \\ y \end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix} 1 & -2 \\ 2 & 1 \end{bmatrix}^{-1} \begin{bmatrix} -5 \\ 5 \end{bmatrix}

I[xy]=15[1221][55]\Rightarrow \mathbb{I} \begin{bmatrix} x \\ y \end{bmatrix} = \frac{1}{5}\begin{bmatrix} 1 & 2 \\ -2 & 1 \end{bmatrix} \begin{bmatrix} -5 \\ 5 \end{bmatrix}

Step 5: Clean up
[xy]=15[515]=[13]\begin{bmatrix} x \\ y \end{bmatrix} = \frac{1}{5}\begin{bmatrix} 5 \\ 15 \end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix} 1 \\ 3 \end{bmatrix}

So:

x=1
y=3


DID I GET IT RIGHT?!!?!?!
Original post by slot_
Derp, I got it now. Just needed the pointer lol

For anyone who may want to correct me :smile:

AC Gradient = 1/2, Equation = 2y = x+5.
BD = 2y = -2x + 5 with Gradient of -2

-2x + 5 = 1/2x + 5/2
when you multiply by 2 to get whole numbers
-4x + 10 = x + 5
rearrange
(-5) + 10 = x + 4x
5 = 5x
x = 1
Substitute in to later equation so 2y = x + 5
2y = 1 + 5
2y = 6
y = 6/3
y = 3

(1,3)


ur methud is confusing :s
Original post by RDKGames
OKAY I THINK I GOT IT

Step 1: Rearrange equations
x2y=5x-2y=-5
2x+y=52x+y=5

Step 2: Represent in matrix form

[1221][xy]=[55]\begin{bmatrix} 1 & -2 \\ 2 & 1 \end{bmatrix} \begin{bmatrix} x \\ y \end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix} -5 \\ 5 \end{bmatrix}

Step 3: Find the inverse matrix

[1221]1=15[1221]\begin{bmatrix} 1 & -2 \\ 2 & 1 \end{bmatrix}^{-1} = \frac{1}{5}\begin{bmatrix} 1 & 2 \\ -2 & 1 \end{bmatrix}

Step 4: Pre-multiply by the inverse matrix
[1221]1[1221][xy]=[1221]1[55]\begin{bmatrix} 1 & -2 \\ 2 & 1 \end{bmatrix}^{-1} \begin{bmatrix} 1 & -2 \\ 2 & 1 \end{bmatrix} \begin{bmatrix} x \\ y \end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix} 1 & -2 \\ 2 & 1 \end{bmatrix}^{-1} \begin{bmatrix} -5 \\ 5 \end{bmatrix}

I[xy]=15[1221][55]\Rightarrow \mathbb{I} \begin{bmatrix} x \\ y \end{bmatrix} = \frac{1}{5}\begin{bmatrix} 1 & 2 \\ -2 & 1 \end{bmatrix} \begin{bmatrix} -5 \\ 5 \end{bmatrix}

Step 5: Clean up
[xy]=15[515]=[13]\begin{bmatrix} x \\ y \end{bmatrix} = \frac{1}{5}\begin{bmatrix} 5 \\ 15 \end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix} 1 \\ 3 \end{bmatrix}

So:

x=1
y=3


DID I GET IT RIGHT?!!?!?!


Correct answer but minus swag points for not using gaussian elimination. Sorry :frown:
Original post by seanfm
correct answer but minus swag points for not using gaussian elimination. Sorry :frown:


this is why i'll fail c1 :frown:
Original post by SeanFM
Correct answer but minus swag points for not using gaussian elimination. Sorry :frown:


On a serious note, do you reckon they would actually award marks for this method in C1??? :hmmmm:
Original post by RDKGames
On a serious note, do you reckon they would actually award marks for this method in C1??? :hmmmm:


I'd hope so. May require some consultation with a senior exam officer or something, and some investigation into how and why the student is using such a method. Fancy but time consuming and superfluous :tongue:
solve the simultaneous equations then BAM you get x coordinate and y coordinate

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