Are too many people at university?

Come on, one more vote and it'll be 80% of TSRians who think too many people are at uni :biggrin:

Reply 182

ish90an

It is sad because it devalues the entire idea of a first class honours, not to mention the idea of a degree.

You do realise the highest proportion of 1sts come from Oxbridge and the proportion steadily decreases as you go down a typical rankings list?

Reply 183

Norfolkadam

18

Lindsey123

She wasn't asking if it was 'no one' or 'no-one' - she thought it was 'noone'. I just thought it was funny - I wasn't saying you shouldn't be at University if you make spelling mistakes.

Yes and that's a very common mistake to make because you say the word as noone, as one word. Obviously when you see it written down you realise it's wrong which is probably why she asked you.

Reply 184

DaneCook

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whisperings

I haven't said that at all. Don't twist my words. Yes, they need to be intelligent enough - they also need to be interested enough, and not just motivated by money.

Ah, you study Accounting & Finance. That explains it!

It hasn't got anything to do with trying harder :confused:

the whole point of a degree is that you are studying something you are interested in, surely? Therefore it shouldn't be a problem - wouldn't you be putting in lots of effort anyway, because you enjoyed it?

Education should be for education's sake. Sadly, money is valued far more than learning these days. :frown:

Ok you value the learning aspect of a degree more than the potential earnings aspect, good for you. At the end of the day, it's the same end result, you get a good degree. It's all motivation. You are in no position to tell people what should motivate them, if they are motivated by money, so be it. No need to moan about it on here.

Oh and nice jibe with the 'Accounting & Finance' comment. Very amusing :wink:

Reply 185

moomin_love

15

Quady

Yeah but you want to close most teaching courses.

Surely "most" universities aren't polytechnics. If they are then I think that's quite worrying to consider that a large majority of students these days are not getting an education good enough to get into the top Universities. Therefore, if we closed the polytechnics and put all the money we got from doing that into the education system then maybe the gap between private and state schools would be significantly less and everyone would have a truly equal opportunity of getting into the top Universities.

Reply 186

moomin_love

Surely "most" universities aren't polytechnics.

No but most PGCE courses are run in ex-poly technics.

So you'd close most teaching courses.

Reply 187

ish90an

10

Quady

You do realise the highest proportion of 1sts come from Oxbridge and the proportion steadily decreases as you go down a typical rankings list?

Does not take away from the fact that those who are getting "1sts" based on loose marking and easy course content devalue the degree class.

Reply 188

moomin_love

15

Quady

No but most PGCE courses are run in ex-poly technics.

So you'd close most teaching courses.

Well then maybe teaching courses can be moved to the better Universities? Plus, if you're cutting loads of teaching jobs by getting rid of polytechnics maybe you don't need that many new teachers and could just set up one or two places that focus on just teacher training, which would hopefully make the education that children and young adults receive much better!

Reply 189

moomin_love

Well then maybe teaching courses can be moved to the better Universities? Plus, if you're cutting loads of teaching jobs by getting rid of polytechnics maybe you don't need that many new teachers and could just set up one or two places that focus on just teacher training, which would hopefully make the education that children and young adults receive much better!

jeez, I'm loving the BS.

You don't need a teaching qualification to lecture at uni/ex poly, so why would you need fewer places?

Ex-polys are the better universities for doing a PGCE though...

Reply 190

FTstudies

14

My answer to this question:

No - Having more and more people attend university, means the country and society become more educated and therefore can lead to better jobs in future life. Leading to more doctors, teachers, etc etc. (Though I refer these jobs as "traditional" ones)

Yes - The only reason I would say yes, is because of the current crisis of University cuts, and with the prospect of ex-polys being made into poly's again and so forth. Though the current climate for those applying to Uni and the places available appears bleak, and it can be argued there are too many people going.
However there is an alarming number of people who drop out of Uni after their first year at certain universities. So it depends really. I personally think there aren't too many people attending University. The more educated the better!

Reply 191

Spinnerette

moomin_love

Well then maybe teaching courses can be moved to the better Universities? Plus, if you're cutting loads of teaching jobs by getting rid of polytechnics maybe you don't need that many new teachers and could just set up one or two places that focus on just teacher training, which would hopefully make the education that children and young adults receive much better!

Some ex-polys are renowned for doing PGCEs and nursing. You'd take away what they specialise best in, jobs and a lot of excellent teachers. just to suit a tiny small scale so only a few elite can go to university and do PGCEs at 2 instituations? It would be impractical, sounds overly dramatic. Also sounds like you have a fear of ex-polytechnics taking away what they do best. Don't think you realise how many jobs would be lost to this.

Reply 192

CJ99

9

mayh3m

Italics because neither of these actually did a degree in nursing and are therefore unqualified to say whether or whether not they're useful. Nursing has changed. They have much more responsibility than your mother did.
Bolds because they're just plain wrong. I can't even argue this case. You're just wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

My girlfriend's a student nurse. Even she has pointed out that a prescribed medicine has been wrong on the charts. That mistake would have affected the patient so you don't think she's in the right or position to say that its wrong? She doesn't know anyone who's refused to do bed baths. It's something you just know you have to do.

Also you can be a nurse prescriber meaning you actually are qualified to prescribe medication to patients.

Finally, I used Mathematics as an example because I actually do it... :wink:

Oh, and I'm not bothering to argue with someone about health care who can't spell medicine properly.

Yeah see thing is the 3 doctors are all still practising doctors and are all still saying nurses with degrees aren't as good as the old nurses without degrees. And since they work in health care and work with nurses then they are qualified to say whether nurses need degrees to be good nurses.

Hahaha! Judge the argument on its own merit not the the spelling ability of the person who makes it.

Reply 193

TShadow383

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/7202513/We-have-failed-the-university-challenge.html

^The telegraph agrees with us - that probably doesn't happen too often :p:

Reply 194

The Boosh

17

lol what the hell is the "University of Highlands and Islands" ??? Sounds fab - I want to go there!!!

Reply 195

ChemistBoy

ish90an

Does not take away from the fact that those who are getting "1sts" based on loose marking and easy course content devalue the degree class.

But it does take away a large amount of potential evidence to establish that these things are a symptom of new universities. Marking irregularities are far more sporadic and diversely spread over the cohort than you suggest. Clearly every system is not going to be perfect, but that is why there are checks and balances.

Reply 196

ish90an

Does not take away from the fact that those who are getting "1sts" based on loose marking and easy course content devalue the degree class.

So you're saying Oxbridges marking is loose and devaluing a 1st from Birmingham?

Reply 197

mayh3m

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CJ99

Yeah see thing is the 3 doctors are all still practising doctors and are all still saying nurses with degrees aren't as good as the old nurses without degrees. And since they work in health care and work with nurses then they are qualified to say whether nurses need degrees to be good nurses.

Hahaha! Judge the argument on its own merit not the the spelling ability of the person who makes it.

I really can't wait until you're put in hospital so you can eat your own words.

Reply 198

CJ99

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mayh3m

I really can't wait until you're put in hospital so you can eat your own words.

Any specific ones?

Reply 199

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