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No, most of the police are meatheads and I wouldn't trust them with a pointed stick. It would be dangerous to arm police officers without the rest of the country armed, as the UK could end up becoming a state run by the police.

I think arms restrictions should be far less than they are at the present. In the US, **** like this rampage wouldn't slide; the nutter woulda been gunned down before he'd taken down 3 people.
Reply 41
I think there should be more armed officers, simple fact is there aren't enough ARVs for the number of shouts that require their attendance.

Using America as an example of why not to arm our officers isn't really relevant; our deployment of firearms is totally different to theirs & I'd wager that forces would keep that model even if all officers were to be routinely issued firearms.
Reply 42
fist of the south star
Yes guns. 12 people lost their lives because the police didn't have any....


The police didn't even arrive until after he'd finished his spree. How would them having guns have done anything?
Reply 43
hell no

do please try and resist the mass hysteria now people. 70 million people live in the country, every now and again some crazy sh it goes down, it happens everywhere, to extrapolate that to arming a bunch of lower IQ thugs in response fills me with dread.
There's really nothing anyone can do if someone decides he wants to kill a lot of people for no reason. Even if all guns ceased to exist, he could still set fire to a building or run people over. Most serial killers in this country have not used any kind of unusual weapon. While it is very dramatic, something that kills only a few 10s of people every decade is not worth worrying about.
Reply 45
I don't see a problem with them carrying weapons providing they are well trained to not only use the weapon but trained to judge when use of it might be neccesary or not.

I heard someone once say:

"In the army recruits are taught how to fire a weapon, they are trained to kill. In the police people are taught how to use a weapon, and then how not to use it."

I have always remembered that.
More armed police may= more armed civilians=BAD

I understand what you mean though but it won't stop this sort of thing happening again.
Reply 47
I<3LAMP
More armed police may= more armed civilians=BAD

I understand what you mean though but it won't stop this sort of thing happening again.

This, you increase the number of armed police you highlight gun culture. And even a significant increase in armed police would be unlikely to stop the occasional psycho like this. Personally I think we took a big step forward in this country with the different firearms acts, and if you compare our situation to the US I'd take ours any day of the week.

After the virginia tech massacre the gunshop owner who sold the guy the gun didn't come across as remorseful for not having realised he was unbalanced, but rather went with if all the students had been armed they could have fought back. Wtf. We're better than that, and arming the police is a massive and unnecessary step backwards.
Reply 48
Ministerdonut
It's not knee jerk in my case.I have believed for sometime that our Police are vunerable to this type of act. I think more than once is too much personally and it seems the Police still have 'lessons to learn' from hungerford. Iam not criticising the ordinary copper in cumbria but really , I think every single police station in the UK should have at least two officers with firearms training and fast access to firearms.

This actually used to be the more frequently the case in the past in post war Britain,when many coppers had either fought in the war or done national service. Having military experience it meant in most Police stations there would be pistols,revolvers and shotguns in secure cabinets , While the ordinary copper would patrol with a truncheon ,there would often be collegues who often worked as detectives who when the need called for it book out a firearm.

Iam not in favour of arming every officer but I do believe the tradgedy in cumbria exposed a problem especially in rural areas with lower crime rates. I think recruiting the right people is a factor ,which means I believe recruits who are ex forces, particularly those who served in the miltary police or who had public order experience in places like iraq and Northern Ireland should be recruited as firearms officers. So there is a greater pool for selection when it comes to specialist units.


You have to consider the overall picture. Post war you could still keep a hand gun in your house.
Reply 49
hah no, the number of american cops killed by their own guns...
I think more of the force should be armed, but not all.
Reply 51
No, it would lead to criminals arming themselves. We have those firearms response officers or whatever its called, I think its fine just having them.
Reply 52
Emmie3303

The reason so many people died yesterday is because the police were not able to get there in time. Had there been one or two officers in Whitehaven who were armed, he may not have been able to kill so many or they may have caught him before he turned the gun on himself, allowing the families of the innocent to have justice.


The police never even saw the guy until he was dead though, so what help would guns have been?

You can't just have armed police squads everywhere just on the off chance that an idiot with a shotgun goes postal. Workington and Whitehaven don't really need armed police squads because this isn't a frequent happening.

Maybe gun training and access to guns that can be used in emergency cases such as this could be a possibility, but might just be a waste of money if they are never going to get use.
Lucy :)
I only found out a couple of weeks ago about our Armed Response Unit. Based in Ulverston apparently which seems a bit weird as I would have thought Barrow was the bigger station but there you go. :o:


Ah right, I guess it's because Ulverston can reach other areas more quickly than Barrow can :smile:. But I would have thought Barrow would be the more obvious choice too.

Bonyjoe
The police never even saw the guy until he was dead though, so what help would guns have been?

You can't just have armed police squads everywhere just on the off chance that an idiot with a shotgun goes postal. Workington and Whitehaven don't really need armed police squads because this isn't a frequent happening.

Maybe gun training and access to guns that can be used in emergency cases such as this could be a possibility, but might just be a waste of money if they are never going to get use.


I'm not sure if I'm right but I thought the police couldn't get near enough to him because they didn't have guns to stop him, not because they couldn't find him. I might be wrong though :frown:.

I agree with your idea at the end though, that makes more sense than having loads of armed police everywhere. If it saves lives then I think it's worth it.
Reply 54
I think it might be a tad of an overreaction. I don't have enough knowledge of the police's methods to judge to be honest. If they find they need guns they should have them but if they don't and won't use them then there's no point having them for the sake of it is there.
Good god NO. NO NO NO

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