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Whats the equivalent of these Ivy league colleges in the UK?

River85

I'm no expert but probably a wide selection of employers including some large multi-nationals? There might still be a bit of Anglo-American bias in it.

It's based on an online surbey and last year they received around 3,000 responses I think. They do apply some geographic weighting to the results.

There is a "league table" based entirely on employment looking at how many CEOs of the world's largest 500 companies each university has produced.

A bit silly but I did use it to semi-troll G5 creamers not all that long ago :p:

There are two reviews used in the THES. One is the academic review (an online survey of academics) and the other the employer review (as outlined above). The academic review is given a greater weighting. 40% of the overall score. The employer review is either 20% or 10%. 10% I think (because international students, international staff, citations by faculty are also taken into account).

If it shows you want it it to show, yes :p:

SO this is mainly a UK poll...

Also 99 is not much different than 100, so for the most part they are the same thing, and to say that Princeton is second rate shows lack of credibility... a severe lack of credibility...

I am not suggesting you said this or indeed think this way. I was initially responding to NothingonYou... who in my opinion is clueless about US higher education, yet insists on spreading uninformed propaganda, by quoting from a meaningless poll from the opposite side of the pond, from employers, and using it as a definitive fact.

If this is his opinion, then that is much more palatable even if it is wrong, but to present it as fact is simple folly.

Reply 81

James10000

holmes221

Just been watching these videos on youtube where they talk about the characteristics of the ivy league unis: harvard,yale,dartmouth, princeton etc so what are their equivalents in the United kingdom?

Not ivy league but for example MIT = ICL

Similarities to compare (from videos)

Admissions
Academics
Food
Shelter (accommodation)
Setting
Crowd

Yale

Admissions

Because some people don't understand:

source ask.com forum

there is no equivalent in the UK

We just have Oxford for Arts and Cambridge for Sciences

and LSE for Banking

that all

Reply 82

River85

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vnupe

SO this is mainly a UK poll...

The tables are published by the Times Higher Education Supplement and compiled with an American education company. So joint US-UK.

Like I said, the poll will include recipients from a range of countries but I would guess it is does have an Anglo-American bias. I think the rankings in general have an Anglo-American bias.

Reply 83

ncsjohn02

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Focus08

Harvard= Cam
Yale=Ox
MIT=Imp
Columbia=UCL
Princeton=LSE
Stanford=Warwick
Brown= Durham

Just taking the top 7 in the UK and trying to assign an approximate equivalent

this is as close as it gets maybe.

but i am extremely against these sorts of comparisons. its not possible.

Brevity

I'm going to go out there and say that there is NO equivalent to Yale. Why? Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGn3-RW8Ajk

indeed there is no equivalent.

Reply 84

lm_wfc

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Brevity

I'm going to go out there and say that there is NO equivalent to Yale. Why? Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGn3-RW8Ajk

Reply 85

Leopold Bloom

vnupe

If you honestly believe that the Uk is better for undergrad, explain the perceived gap (your words not mine) between the US and the UK? Surely if it (UK) were better than the US then there would be a bigger jump in knowledge gap between US undergrad and grad... that is obviously not the case...

I never stated that this was the case. The reason why some people believe it to be the case, is that in the UK, we start narrowing down subjects from 6th form, and by university, it's generally complete specialisation. It stands to reason that 3 years of this breeds greater depth of knowledge in that one area then a broader curriculum would, but then that's based on numerous assumptions, like our education system getting people up to roughly the same levels by university.

Anyway, the answer to your question is in my post. The perceived gap is driven by distance between the two countries, the natural pessimism of Brits, and most significantly, the amount of their culture we absorb. It's far from "obviously not the case", because if it was obvious, this 'debate' would be rendered redundant.

Again, I'm not saying that undergrad here is better than the US, it's because of their differences that they're incomparable. It's all one big ball of misconception and cultural perception. People seem hell bent on classifying and comparing something, rather than simply enjoying the fact that these things are good and are present. I know friends in both systems, and friends who have experienced both systems. The American system has been to the liking of some, but not others. It's hardly surprising though.

Reply 86

vnupe

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Leopold Bloom

I never stated that this was the case. The reason why some people believe it to be the case, is that in the UK, we start narrowing down subjects from 6th form, and by university, it's generally complete specialisation. It stands to reason that 3 years of this breeds greater depth of knowledge in that one area then a broader curriculum would, but then that's based on numerous assumptions, like our education system getting people up to roughly the same levels by university.

Anyway, the answer to your question is in my post. The perceived gap is driven by distance between the two countries, the natural pessimism of Brits, and most significantly, the amount of their culture we absorb. It's far from "obviously not the case", because if it was obvious, this 'debate' would be rendered redundant.

Again, I'm not saying that undergrad here is better than the US, it's because of their differences that they're incomparable. It's all one big ball of misconception and cultural perception. People seem hell bent on classifying and comparing something, rather than simply enjoying the fact that these things are good and are present. I know friends in both systems, and friends who have experienced both systems. The American system has been to the liking of some, but not others. It's hardly surprising though.

fair enough, I agree, both places have their good points and both have their bad points, but I would not on a whole rate one over the other...

Reply 87

pomegranite

question. this is sort of off topic but related!

would you agree that if columbia is equivalent to ucl (if we're just comparing new york city schools to london schools) than king's would be equivalent to nyu?

Reply 88

greenforce

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ivy league is certainly the best0there is no match to it.even cambridge and oxford cannot be compared because the teaching style at the ivy is totally different then any other uni on the planet.

Reply 89

Focus08

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Ok, someone assign US equivalents for St Andys, Edinburgh and Bristol....

Reply 90

mrt23498

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Oxford, Cambridge, Warwick, St Andrews, UCL, Imperial, Birmingham, Durham, York, Edinburgh, sometimes LSE and Bristol.
Then Manchester, Leicester (Great Medical School), Liverpool, Southampton, Keele, Bath.

They're all generally good especially Oxford, Cambridge and Imperial, but some have different strengths like Bath is surprizingly 4th best in the country for Mathematics (Times). Warwick is good for it's sciences and Maths. Edinburgh and most Scottish based Universities are very good for Medicine, maybe not for anything else mind.

Reply 91

mrt23498

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(You)

What makes you say that?

Look at all the league tables, they (Scottish Universities) are generally good may get into the Russel Group but they're no in the top 10 apart from Medicine where they rock. St Andrew's is the only exception which is a university very similar to Oxbridge

Reply 92

Focus08

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(You)

That's not what I was saying. St Andrews has been in the top 5 in recent years.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/table/2009/may/12/university-league-table

The same fate awaits Lancaster, what's your point?

Reply 93

Moe Lester

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Planto

Why would they have "equivalents"? Do I have an equivalent American person? Oooh, I wonder where my equivalent American house is!

Also, American unis are just downright nicer than British ones on the whole.

And downright more expensive.

Reply 94

mrt23498

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(You)

So, you're telling me you've went through every subject table and found that in only Medicine are where Scottish universities' strong points? I think your post just proves how ignorant you are. What about...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/table/2010/jun/04/university-guide-chemistry.

Ok, have you even looked at any of these links. The first of Chemistry, the only scottish university in the top 10 is Strathclyde at tenth. this doesn't prove your point. Anyway this league table is naff, Oxford second and Southampton first. Hull third. This table is obviously wrong anyhow.

Reply 95

whenpigscanfly

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holmes221

LOL how typically american over the top is that?

It was simply lovely. Don't kid.

Reply 96

Mr. Roxas

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Okay Let me try this just for fun.

Cambridge = Harvard (excellent in almost everything)
Oxford = Yale (prominent law and government programs)
St Andrews = Princeton (elitists)
Warwick = UPenn (great business-related programs, best IB feeders)
Bristol = Columbia
Durham = Dartmouth
Bath = Brown
UCL = Cornell (dumbest Ivy lol)

LSE = Chicago
Imperial = MIT
Stanford - no equivalent

Reply 97

ncsjohn02

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Mr. Roxas

Okay Let me try this just for fun.

Cambridge = Harvard (excellent in almost everything)
Oxford = Yale (prominent law and government programs)
St Andrews = Princeton (elitists)
Warwick = UPenn (great business-related programs, best IB feeders)
Bristol = Columbia
Durham = Dartmouth
Bath = Brown
UCL = Cornell (dumbest Ivy lol)

LSE = Chicago
Imperial = MIT
Stanford - no equivalent

generalization FAIL :facepalm:

Reply 98

vnupe

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Mr. Roxas

Okay Let me try this just for fun.

Cambridge = Harvard (excellent in almost everything)
Oxford = Yale (prominent law and government programs)
St Andrews = Princeton (elitists)
Warwick = UPenn (great business-related programs, best IB feeders)
Bristol = Columbia
Durham = Dartmouth
Bath = Brown
UCL = Cornell (dumbest Ivy lol)

LSE = Chicago
Imperial = MIT
Stanford - no equivalent

Also just for fun, I would switch St. Andrews with UCL... hehehehe