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    (Original post by Ireland6)
    Nice! Trinity england or trinity ireland? I have a grand aunt from kerry and i don't understand a word she says!
    Trinity College Dublin. Don't worry, I was born in England (*repulsed expression*) therefore have a pseudo Anglo Irish accent
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    (Original post by thetobbit)
    I've recently been researching some courses in Irish universities like Trinity College Dublin and University College Dublin and ive notced a strange trend.
    For example, to get into physiotherapy, the average candidate does gets 4 A's at A2 (yes four) while in contrast physiotherapy at liverpool or university of ulster needs only 3 B's. (I live in northern ireland)

    I mean I would understand if ucd or trinity asked for 3 A's at the most (if they really are amazing uni's) but to ask for 4 A'2s from GCE candidates for a non-high brow course like physio is down right mad . The average smart a-level candidate in NI comes out with something around 3 good A2's; people rarely do 4 unless they do further maths or some stuff.

    Am i missing something, are people from the republic of ireland friggin genius'? Or is the system just terribly flawed.


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    I've noticed this too - it's very dodgy. I'm not sure, though, that there's a fairer way of doing it; if they ramped up the points to make A*A*A* equal 600 then that'd be unfair to Irish students since getting the grades for 600 seems a lot more difficult than getting A*A*A* at A Level. I'm planning on applying anyway since I've nothing to lose but the entry fee; my order's probably going to be English + Latin/History + English/English/History + Latin/History or something like that.
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    (Original post by LeSacMagique)
    I've noticed this too - it's very dodgy. I'm not sure, though, that there's a fairer way of doing it; if they ramped up the points to make A*A*A* equal 600 then that'd be unfair to Irish students since getting the grades for 600 seems a lot more difficult than getting A*A*A* at A Level. I'm planning on applying anyway since I've nothing to lose but the entry fee; my order's probably going to be English + Latin/History + English/English/History + Latin/History or something like that.

    It's not dodgy. Requirements are high for every student applying, internal or external. A small percentage get over 500 points, which over half of Trinity's courses are, and less than 1% get 600 points. It's a very fair system. If they lower A-Level requirements to levels standard in UK universities, how is that fair on the majority of cndidates- ie. internal ones? 500 is very difficult to get, 600 is extremely rare. 500 alone needs 5 subjects out of 7 to be A's and B's. It is driven by competition, not academic calibre- though individual course requirements do apply. English and History are the most sought after TSM choices- both are over 500 points.
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    (Original post by StarsAreFixed)
    It's not dodgy. Requirements are high for every student applying, internal or external. A small percentage get over 500 points, which over half of Trinity's courses are, and less than 1% get 600 points. It's a very fair system. If they lower A-Level requirements to levels standard in UK universities, how is that fair on the majority of cndidates- ie. internal ones? 500 is very difficult to get, 600 is extremely rare. 500 alone needs 5 subjects out of 7 to be A's and B's. It is driven by competition, not academic calibre- though individual course requirements do apply. English and History are the most sought after TSM choices- both are over 500 points.
    I'd say it's somewhat dodgy. :L
    Tere could still be a fairer way of dealing with A-Level applicants. The standards definitely don't need to be lowered, they should just be changed so it makes more sense. At present, a candidate with ACCC at A-Level would get accepted above someone with A*AA. To me that doesn't seem fair or sensible.
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    (Original post by Dusty12)
    I'd say it's somewhat dodgy. :L
    Tere could still be a fairer way of dealing with A-Level applicants. The standards definitely don't need to be lowered, they should just be changed so it makes more sense. At present, a candidate with ACCC at A-Level would get accepted above someone with A*AA. To me that doesn't seem fair or sensible.

    4 equates much better with our 6, unfortunately. It's not only the amount of subjects that's the problem, it's the huge disparity with grades themselves. Ours are much more specific- they are in increments of 5%. Less than 1% get maximum points. That is definitely not the case with your system, so there is huge difficulty in equating the two. The majority of courses are below 500 points and therefore do not call for 4 grades. But they don't attract external candidates. Courses over 500 are extremely difficult for all students to achieve and the fairest way for A-Level students- lowering it to 3 for ALL courses, puts the majority at a huge disadvantage. A-Level grades are judged in reverse of how ours are in the UK. It is as fair as can be.
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    (Original post by StarsAreFixed)
    4 equates much better with our 6, unfortunately. It's not only the amount of subjects that's the problem, it's the huge disparity with grades themselves. Ours are much more specific- they are in increments of 5%. Less than 1% get maximum points. That is definitely not the case with your system, so there is huge difficulty in equating the two. The majority of courses are below 500 points and therefore do not call for 4 grades. But they don't attract external candidates. Courses over 500 are extremely difficult for all students to achieve and the fairest way for A-Level students- lowering it to 3 for ALL courses, puts the majority at a huge disadvantage. A-Level grades are judged in reverse of how ours are in the UK. It is as fair as can be.
    Hmm, yeah you're right, I suppose it's really difficult to decide on equivalents because the systems are so different.
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    (Original post by StarsAreFixed)
    It's not dodgy. Requirements are high for every student applying, internal or external. A small percentage get over 500 points, which over half of Trinity's courses are, and less than 1% get 600 points. It's a very fair system. If they lower A-Level requirements to levels standard in UK universities, how is that fair on the majority of cndidates- ie. internal ones? 500 is very difficult to get, 600 is extremely rare. 500 alone needs 5 subjects out of 7 to be A's and B's. It is driven by competition, not academic calibre- though individual course requirements do apply. English and History are the most sought after TSM choices- both are over 500 points.
    Keep your hat on - I meant more the entire conversion process. Hence the rest of my post. A Levels and the Irish system of exams seem pretty incompatible; I was just saying that the entire business is dodgy because of that.
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    It appears to be that 4 A-levels gives you an unfair advantage and 3 A-levels plus 1 AS gives you an unfair disadvantage - e.g. I'm on track to get 540 points with unexceptional A-level grades in 4 subjects, but my friend who does three would struggle to get 500 even with stellar grades.

    A question for anyone who would happen to know - for the Entrance Exhibition scholarship thing, do they count the 25 points for doing maths or just the CAO points from your grades? cos if it's the former I may have a chance...
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    Well, why wouldn't it give an advantage to do four subjects at a higher level than three at that level and one at a lower level? It makes sense. It's not much of an advantage since doing four A2's is uncommon. They cannot score AS the same, now THAT would be unfair.

    It is similar to how Leaving Cert subjects are scored. All subjects can be taken at two levels. An A1 at higher level is 100 points, but only 60 at Ordinary level and they go down bigtime from there. Because the Leaving Cert requires you to be very well rounded, a huge majority do at least one subject at ordinary level. And plenty do two, which means they automatically have no hope of anywhere near top points. And even with one, there's huge pressure to excel at all 6 subjects because you have no margin for error. Therefore people who are great at all 7 and do them all at higher level have a distinct advantage. But not an unfair one.

    Tell your friend to pick up an A2 externally, it will greatly help her if she wants a course with high points here. It's also worth noting that the vast majority of courses are under 500 and do not need 4 A2's. It is a small minority that do but they are the ones in demand by their very nature. But it reflects poorly on the entire system when it just isn't the case for 90% of courses.

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