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The Government says there's no money...but Gove says get a £60m yacht for the Queen?

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    (Original post by Steevee)
    :rolleyes:

    She was born into the Roayl Family. She is our Head of State. Over the years her and her family have worked tirelessly for the futherment of British interests, international relations and national schemes. You are not part of the Royal Family. She is. Deal with it. And when your grandparents directly influence British trade, international standing and international relations every day of their lives, when your grandparents spend their entire lives living in the public spotlight and for the futherment of Britain then I'll be happy to give them a tax funded Yacht. But, just a wild guess, that's not them.
    The only reason she influenced British trade is because she was born by an accident of birth into a particular family. Anybody in the position of head of state would have done the same. She didn't work towards earning her position as head of state, she was granted it by a mere accident of birth - why should she be rewarded for this?
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    (Original post by Retrodiction)
    Anybody in the position of head of state would have done the same.
    He didn't. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_VIII
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    He was never the head of state, so the comparison is moot.
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    (Original post by Retrodiction)
    The only reason she influenced British trade is because she was born by an accident of birth into a particular family. Anybody in the position of head of state would have done the same. She didn't work towards earning her position as head of state, she was granted it by a mere accident of birth - why should she be rewarded for this?
    Because she could have refused, but she didn't. She threw herself into her role and has been serving this country as Head of State for 60 years with great fervour and success. She was conditioned from birth to be a Monarch and Head of State, she is the most qualified in this country for the role.
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    they hoping the yacht suffers the same fate as the ship in italy...
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    (Original post by Retrodiction)
    He was never the head of state, so the comparison is moot.
    Surely he became the head of state as soon as his Father died?
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    (Original post by Retrodiction)
    The only reason she influenced British trade is because she was born by an accident of birth into a particular family. Anybody in the position of head of state would have done the same. She didn't work towards earning her position as head of state, she was granted it by a mere accident of birth - why should she be rewarded for this?
    Why does everyone assume birth is an ACCIDENT?! You may have been an accident, but please stop going around saying that everyone is born by mistake.
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    Rather £60m for the head of state than spending it on abortions and welfare dependency, no?
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    (Original post by ForKicks)
    Why does everyone assume birth is an ACCIDENT?! You may have been an accident, but please stop going around saying that everyone is born by mistake.
    No, this isn't what I'm saying, do try to understand a simple concept. Her birth wasn't an accident, but it's an absolute accident that she happened to be born into a the family that she born into. In the same way that children born into poverty are unlucky to have been born into that particular family, the queen was lucky to be born into a rich, powerful family. She did nothing to deserve it, she didn't earn it - it was just an accident of birth.
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    (Original post by Retrodiction)
    No, this isn't what I'm saying, do try to understand a simple concept. Her birth wasn't an accident, but it's an absolute accident that she happened to be born into a the family that she born into. In the same way that children born into poverty are unlucky to have been born into that particular family, the queen was lucky to be born into a rich, powerful family. She did nothing to deserve it, she didn't earn it - it was just an accident of birth.
    No, you are still implying that birth is an accident. People don't just happen to come into being, just as we aren't free flowing consciousness which randomly get assigned bodies. The parent CHOOSES to create a consciousness and therefore is no accident that they are born into that situation.
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    Hmm the Queen should buy her own tbh,
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    (Original post by ForKicks)
    No, you are still implying that birth is an accident. People don't just happen to come into being, just as we aren't free flowing consciousness which randomly get assigned bodies. The parent CHOOSES to create a consciousness and therefore is no accident that they are born into that situation.
    So why do you occupy the perspective that you have, and why don't you occupy the perspective that anybody else has instead? What process placed you specifically in that body?
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    (Original post by Retrodiction)
    So why do you occupy the perspective that you have, and why don't you occupy the perspective that anybody else has instead? What process placed you specifically in that body?
    I don't occupy the body, I am the product of my brain which is physically me!! What created this physical brain? Try sex between a mother and father. I am just an extension of my parents combined.
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    (Original post by MirandaPanda)
    And the video you originally posted wasn't? Heck it needed a completely new video just to express its inaccuracies.



    I assume you have tangible evidence that the royal family has brought in more trade from these areas than a comparable President would? Otherwise it would be pretty moronic to make such an assumption.



    This is just a fluff sentence; if not, then provide proof for this.



    Yeah; the Commonwealth which is set to become the next economic superpower (i.e. India), got rid of the very concept of royalty decades ago (as they found the concept abhorrent), and most polls say in Australia show a wish for a Republic and its PM has already stated that it shall cease with the concept when Elizabeth passes away. Jamica has recently also decided to cease relations with the royals.

    :facepalm:



    Yes b/c last time I remember, despite public opposition from doing so, we didn't follow Bush into Iraq did we? The queen obviously stopped this from happening :rolleyes:
    How arrogant and rude are you?! You were a real bitch to me and now you're doing it to others. You need knocking off your pedestal, that smug condescending attitude you have isn't going to do you any favors.
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    (Original post by MirandaPanda)
    And the video you originally posted wasn't? Heck it needed a completely new video just to express its inaccuracies.

    I assume you have tangible evidence that the royal family has brought in more trade from these areas than a comparable President would? Otherwise it would be pretty moronic to make such an assumption.

    This is just a fluff sentence; if not, then provide proof for this.

    Yeah; the Commonwealth which is set to become the next economic superpower (i.e. India), got rid of the very concept of royalty decades ago (as they found the concept abhorrent), and most polls say in Australia show a wish for a Republic and its PM has already stated that it shall cease with the concept when Elizabeth passes away. Jamica has recently also decided to cease relations with the royals.

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    Yes b/c last time I remember, despite public opposition from doing so, we didn't follow Bush into Iraq did we? The queen obviously stopped this from happening :rolleyes:
    Trollololol. Maybe learn to read first before you ask for evidence as astupid argument, you got the internet infront of you. The Duke of York is the UK's Special Representative for International Trade and Investment.
    The UK government is making the most out of the Monarch's political neutrality. Royal family are sent to different countries to convince businesses to invest in the UK. They're a form of advertisement. And when the Turkish president went to London, he went to london and visited the Buckingham, why didnt he go directly to the Prime minister instead?
    Maybe you should read the opinions of the British business community towards the royal family in promoting UK.
    Those social events hosted or taken part by the Monarchs arent there just for social events of elite people, they're there in hope of getting involvement and promotion.
    Sure, and apart from Jamaica and Australia, who has their dissent for being part of the commonwealth?
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    (Original post by Steevee)
    Because she could have refused, but she didn't. She threw herself into her role and has been serving this country as Head of State for 60 years with great fervour and success. She was conditioned from birth to be a Monarch and Head of State, she is the most qualified in this country for the role.
    Could have refused lol ask a million people you will only find one that refuses. Being head of state is the ultimate position of authority and power if you refuse i just don't understand you.
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    (Original post by lambert1)
    Could have refused lol ask a million people you will only find one that refuses. Being head of state is the ultimate position of authority and power if you refuse i just don't understand you.
    Obviously you don't quite understand what it entails, and it certainly is not a position of Ultimate power. Being Head of State essentially requires you to give up any thought of having a life you choose.
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    Whilst I want to keep the monarchy and have respect for the Queen I think a new royal yacht would be a mistake, even if we were in more prosperous times.

    John Redwood argued for keeping a royal yacht when challenging John Major for the tory leadership. Another reason to think Gove's proposal wrong.
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    (Original post by Steevee)
    Obviously you don't quite understand what it entails, and it certainly is not a position of Ultimate power. Being Head of State essentially requires you to give up any thought of having a life you choose.
    Hmm the choice of earning an average £20-80k per year salary or a life where you get a free £60m yacht I think the choice is obvious. Nobody in their right mind would choose a life other than this.
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    (Original post by lambert1)
    Hmm the choice of earning an average £20-80k per year salary or a life where you get a free £60m yacht I think the choice is obvious. Nobody in their right mind would choose a life other than this.
    Where you don't get final say in your love life. Where every week you are going somewhere else to meet the locals and make a show. Every night you have to attend some function or another for somebody or some cause. You think it's having fun? You're probably the same sort of person that think sbeing an MP isn't much work.
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