The Government says there's no money...but Gove says get a £60m yacht for the Queen?

There is a difference between fairness and tradition/tourism. Fairness can never be used to justify something bad. Everything fairness can justify sounds reasonable whereas tradition and tourism can logically support rape and other bad things.

You know what tradition is? It's our long-standing tradition of the rule of law, the tradition of a free Parliament, the tradition of the concept of rights for all people to have their voice heard.

That isn't tradition for most of history we have not had a free parliament, we have not had the right for our voices to be heard.

Fairness is subjective and only exists in the mind of the individual, created by what I believe to be simple jealousy.

That isn't tradition for most of history we have not had a free parliament, we have not had the right for our voices to be heard. Ironically when the right to vote for all people was finally instated in the early 20th century it would be traditionalists arguing against it. If traditionalists always got their say we would still be living in caves and hunting animals because traditionalists at the time would have disagreed with farming and houses.

Parliament has existed for almost 750 years.



Except when it comes to widening the franchise, I'd have been joining you on the debate in favour of it: widening the franchise extends democracy, making the government accountable to a wider number of people and better able to do its job. There is intrinsic utility and value in doing so.

Electing the Head of State? No. Wouldn't change a jot.

Fairness cannot be subjective it only has one meaning and that is equality. Sure some will say equality is equal pay for all and others will say it is equal opportunities but they are really expanding into other areas beyond fairness.

Are you suggesting that Martin Luther King Jr was simply a jealous old black man? jealous of the whites getting front seats in the bus and better education?

A President offers no more tangible benefits than the royal family. The monarchy has been around since the formation of the country. Since it has existed as long as our country has, it was tied itself into its traditions and culture from the start.

It is irrelevant how long parliament existed women and non land owning men have been unable to vote for most of that time.

If an elected head of state changed nothing then there is no reason for the position to exist simple as that. For example if firemen did not put out fires and having them and not having the made no difference then why would we still have them? It is about cutting out unnecessary bureaucracy to make the government more efficient and having a healthy public private sector balance. The Queen is worth millions if we did not force her to be Queen she could be a business owner helping boost our economy.

Murder has existed since the beginning of the human race therefore it should be legalised and made a national pass time to keep with tradition.

No, because in the illustration you give, people were being physically harmed by the system. No-one is being harmed by the monarchy existing. They are 2 entirely different concepts. If total fairness= total equality then dear god that is a terrible goal to achieve.

Murder has been looked down upon as harmful since pre-history, how do you not get this?

Physically harmed? sitting on the back of a bus isn't physically harming someone. My freedom is being harmed by the monarchy's existence. My freedom to stand for head of state and provide real change. I am not a supporter of communism but to say total fairness would be a terrible thing is not only selfish but idiotic.

Fairness is subjective and only exists in the mind of the individual, created in this case by what I believe to be simple jealousy. Obviously some forms can be more objective, like not harming each other, but the royalty are not doing any damage!

Incorrect murder was a regular thing done by rivals battling for the crown.

Thats not what the quuen said, she said this country needs freedom and fairness.

Incorrect murder was a regular thing done by rivals battling for the crown.

Physically harmed? sitting on the back of a bus isn't physically harming someone. My freedom is being harmed by the monarchy's existence. My freedom to stand for head of state and provide real change. I am not a supporter of communism but to say total fairness would be a terrible thing is not only selfish but idiotic.

Your freedom is not being harmed. You're taking the logic of freedom to absurd lengths. Is your freedom being restricted because we can't elect judges? Would you want to?

However, are you able to elect your government? Is the law respected by those in power? Is the law enforced fairly and openly? Do you have means by which to openly express your dissatisfaction with the country's situation?

If yes to all of these, then you are free.