Do you think Primark selling push bras to 9 yr olds is acceptable?
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Original post by Aylish
No just saying their used to enhance figures not for sex which Is what op was saying
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I don't want to get into a disagreement ok
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I don't want to get into a disagreement ok
Quite obviously you did not understand my question.I am asking about the current state of society that seems to have no issues with a child wearing attire that is designed to be provocative.My question is not about the physical act of sex its to do with social mores and what we find acceptable with regards to how we want our children percieved.Everyone but YOU Aylish understood. This is about those who thought up the idea and those parents who buy such garments.Whether you understand that push up bras used to hike the breasts tissue cleavage of a 9 year old is offensive to some people is not quite clear ???
I'd suggests you re-read the question before writing negative comments,showing your obvious lack of comprehension.
Original post by JOR2010
It's absolutely outrageous. Young girls don't need to be pressured into wearing these types of clothes by their friends, let alone retail chains.
It's what men want. Blame your fellow male species.
Original post by Ilyas
troll?
I don't think she's a troll.She just didn't understand the question posed.Its to do with society's attitude to hypersexualizing children and if the burden of responsibility lies with the stores that market the push ups or parents who purchase them.
Surely the problem lies also with the type of mother who would actually buy a padded bra for their 9 year old. If the company continues to stock them, horrifically it means there must be a demand :/
On the flip side I do wonder where you are getting the 'age 9' from. Bras are not sized by age, and nothing stops a kid of any age sticking on a training bra- so why the 9?
I don't think it increases the risk of 'paedophilia' (as surely an unadorned kid is more attractive), or atleast- the biggest risk here is to how the girls view themselves sexually. To which I very must agree with your points about the oversexualisation of the media and everyone forcing sex (both metaphorically and otherwise) on young girls.
It is a sad time to be young
On the flip side I do wonder where you are getting the 'age 9' from. Bras are not sized by age, and nothing stops a kid of any age sticking on a training bra- so why the 9?
I don't think it increases the risk of 'paedophilia' (as surely an unadorned kid is more attractive), or atleast- the biggest risk here is to how the girls view themselves sexually. To which I very must agree with your points about the oversexualisation of the media and everyone forcing sex (both metaphorically and otherwise) on young girls.
It is a sad time to be young
Original post by Harrifer
Why is women's sexuality disempowering?
Why don't you accept the choices of many women to wear high heels and push up bras? You seem to think you know better than them.
Why do you assume the wearing of high heels and push up bras is for the purpose of attracting men? Women usually dress up to try and outdo each other.
Have you EVER had a girlfriend? You don't seem to understand women much at all.
Why don't you accept the choices of many women to wear high heels and push up bras? You seem to think you know better than them.
Why do you assume the wearing of high heels and push up bras is for the purpose of attracting men? Women usually dress up to try and outdo each other.
Have you EVER had a girlfriend? You don't seem to understand women much at all.
Omg did you seriously actually read my post? High heels and push-up bras are there in the market for women to choose to wear but why do you think they actually exist for women in the first place and not for men?
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Original post by PurpleMonkeyDishwasher
Omg did you seriously actually read my post? High heels and push-up bras are there in the market for women to choose to wear but why do you think they actually exist for women in the first place and not for men? Silly bint.
Reported. I'll respond when you learn to talk properly, boy.
Well, Primark sells consumer goods made by children. So what do you expect?
Original post by Ham22
considering the stuff written in the 'child porn' thread, im surprised there isn't more enraged support for 9 year olds having the right to enhance their sexiness.
Good old tsr.
Good old tsr.
Some people were just questioning the merits of cartoon child pornography not the real stuff. If people cared much for the welfare for children they would make damn well sure they didn't purchase consumer goods made by them in the first place including cocoa products, tobacco, sweatshops etc.
I notice you eat chocolate so I assume you buy Fairtrade?
Original post by LipstickKisses
I agree it's a bit of both, I'm usually for a free market but this crosses the line..
This made me laugh quite hard. Whilst I am not condoning this behaviour, I find it hilarious that such a subject manages to get people so riled up when it is comparatively so minor to all the great wrongs that are conducted in society every day. Don't you realise a 'free market' would infringe upon your delicate morals a lot more than this? How about a truly free market where sex (including minors!) is for sale everywhere, heroin and methamphetamine are sold to children etc?
Some people may point out the irony that this is already the state of our society.
It's totally unacceptable. When I was 11 I saw these bras in Primark and wanted one because I thought they were 'grown up'. I also think I grew up [or tried to] way too fast. Now I'm not blaming Primark entirely for this but that sort of thing being shoved in your face at a vulnerable age is going to have an effect.
Original post by im so academic
It's what men want. Blame your fellow male species.
You think men in general want to look at nine year olds in push up bras? That's a sweeping generalization of a whole sex. It's also ridiculous to imply all men like seeing sexualised children. Are you implying men in general are interested in children in underwear because that's what it sounds like.
The actual number of men who "want" this is very low. Most are either indifferent or against.
I assume the vast, vast majority of men who are brothers, fathers, or even uncles would find this perverted for example.
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Original post by tdawe
This made me laugh quite hard. Whilst I am not condoning this behaviour, I find it hilarious that such a subject manages to get people so riled up when it is comparatively so minor to all the great wrongs that are conducted in society every day. Don't you realise a 'free market' would infringe upon your delicate morals a lot more than this? How about a truly free market where sex (including minors!) is for sale everywhere, heroin and methamphetamine are sold to children etc?
Some people may point out the irony that this is already the state of our society.
Some people may point out the irony that this is already the state of our society.
I'm not for an entire free market, I don't think anyone remotely realistic supports complete free market economics or a complete planned economy. I just lean heavily towards that side. And I don't have a problem morally with prostitution, drugs I'm a bit iffy about, I'm for the legalisation of cannabis though. So I'm not entirely sure of your point?
Original post by PurpleMonkeyDishwasher
How much choice is truly involved in a woman's decision to wear high heels? It makes no sense for a woman to want to wear them as an end in the action's self. Women wear them to sexually objectify themselves whether they like it or not or realise it or not. It's a similar issue to that in Arab nations where women "choose" to wear burqas.
But women do choose it, not neccessarily to sexually objectify themselves but in a sense because they want to look good, whether its for office wear or to attract attention when going out. It's completely different to women wearing burqas because plenty of women DO choose not to wear heels and don't get challenged for that fact these days. Women are not as naive as youre making out, if a women dresses in a way which attracts sexual attention, she wants this attention, even if it is only so far as wanting to be noticed looking hot; this is the difference when it comes to children, they don't understand this concept, they just see it as a way of looking more grown up
Original post by PurpleMonkeyDishwasher
Omg did you seriously actually read my post? High heels and push-up bras are there in the market for women to choose to wear but why do you think they actually exist for women in the first place and not for men?
Seriously feeling your pain in this thread...
Original post by PurpleMonkeyDishwasher
Sorry, where did I command anyone to wear anything? For what reason do you think push-up bras and high heels are commonplace? You can't honestly believe if women weren't told that it is "appropriate" for them to wear high heels on formal occasions they'd think, "Oh I know what will make my shoes more comfortable... sticking 6 inch pillars at the back of them!" Men don't wear heels, why is this?
Actually read my post before you respond to it. People can wear whatever the hell they like, I said that if you choose to wear push-up bras and heels then don't think you're choosing to do so entirely arbitrarily because things like that actually serve no practical purpose whatsoever other than sexualisation.
Actually read my post before you respond to it. People can wear whatever the hell they like, I said that if you choose to wear push-up bras and heels then don't think you're choosing to do so entirely arbitrarily because things like that actually serve no practical purpose whatsoever other than sexualisation.
your argument is flawed, men dont wear heels but at a formal occasion they still wear suits, ties etc. and how many would if it wasnt required. If i'm honest i wear heels because they make my legs look better and i feel empowered when i wear them, it gives me confidence. so what if im sexualising myself, the point is im old enough to understand that i could attract male attention, old enough to be able to say yes or no to any advances, whereas a 9 year old isnt
It is bad simple as!Having said that the only reason why they continue to do so is because there obviously is a demand. It's simple demand and supply .
So who is more at fault?
Parent's or Primark or even the government for allowing them to be produced?
So who is more at fault?
Parent's or Primark or even the government for allowing them to be produced?
Original post by estmick
If they have boobs.. yes.
there's nothing wrong with it, just a bit of fun for the kids
there's nothing wrong with it, just a bit of fun for the kids
With all due respect, it's exactly this sort of approach that leads to the problem. Children should not be needing push-up bras to accentuate their breasts. It's very worrying.
Original post by xev bellringer
A few years back primark started marketing push ups and bras for kids as young as 9. Do you think this says something about the society we live in terms of how liberal we are with sexuality.Obviously no sane person would condone paedophilia yet it seems to be alright to have baby modelling contests and bikinis for nippers.
Sex is used to sell everything in music videos, billboards, adverts etc so Primark had the "brainchild" to use children next? personally I find it repulsive and bordering on criminal.
Your opinion?
Bear in mind that kids used to marry at the age of 12/13 a few hundred years ago or as soon as the female menstrual cycle began.
Sex is used to sell everything in music videos, billboards, adverts etc so Primark had the "brainchild" to use children next? personally I find it repulsive and bordering on criminal.
Your opinion?
Bear in mind that kids used to marry at the age of 12/13 a few hundred years ago or as soon as the female menstrual cycle began.
I think it's wrong considering most 9 year olds don't have breasts. It's making them want to be older quicker.
Original post by Dr.Kweks waszabi
It is bad simple as!Having said that the only reason why they continue to do so is because there obviously is a demand. It's simple demand and supply .
So who is more at fault?
Parent's or Primark or even the government for allowing them to be produced?
So who is more at fault?
Parent's or Primark or even the government for allowing them to be produced?
I don't see why the government should ever be involved in prescribing what we can and cannot wear, unless said government was truly ultra-conservative. Besides which, do you really think the government has the time to check every clothing design brief and product that goes on the market?
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