Are people scared of homosexual people?
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Original post by Jester94
Haha, can 'porn' and 'wholesome' ever be used in the same sentence?
I was being ironical
Original post by prog2djent
Kids should not be taught anything about it, they should not be taught "OK this group over here are the regular, straight people, they like the opposite gender, and this group here are different, they like the same gender, and we should respect that, they have the same rights as us and are completely normal"
If they are told that people fit into these groups, and you put lines and boarders everywhere, and that one group used to be segregated, but should be equal, they will grow up with the preception people fit into groups and are different. How about they are taught nothing, so that they grow up thinking gay people are exactly the same as straight people, and the problem of segregation or viewing people that have done nothing wrong differently.
If they are told that people fit into these groups, and you put lines and boarders everywhere, and that one group used to be segregated, but should be equal, they will grow up with the preception people fit into groups and are different. How about they are taught nothing, so that they grow up thinking gay people are exactly the same as straight people, and the problem of segregation or viewing people that have done nothing wrong differently.
That'll only happen if yu teach it as an abnormal thing. You can inform kids in a neutral way that sex can occur between men and women, men and men or women and women depending on preference.
By your logic we shouldn't tell children the differences between men and women because it'll cause segregation.
Original post by Skarm
Of all the things in the world to be scared of, surely homosexuality is right down there at the bottom of the list.
Am I the only who who saw that?
Original post by Jester94
Your casual use of the word 'fag' is disgusting, so clearly you didn't grow up to be some kind of super tolerant human being.
why? Why is that a disgusting word? Tbh I thought people would be different today and not be so offended by homosexuality but I guess I was wrong. Next time don't come in a thread about gays if you don't like people mentioning them.
I misread the poll, I meant to put no.
Original post by Ascendansy
People are trying to appear politically correct by pretending that they're fine with gay people getting married.
Deep down I know its wrong, and so do you. If your kid walked up to you and shared the news of him/her coming out - I'd feel extremely uncomfortable.
Deep down I know its wrong, and so do you. If your kid walked up to you and shared the news of him/her coming out - I'd feel extremely uncomfortable.
Deep down, I am absolutely fine with it. 100%.
Don't try and make your prejudice sound normal...
Original post by NB_ide
why? Why is that a disgusting word? Tbh I thought people would be different today and not be so offended by homosexuality but I guess I was wrong. Next time don't come in a thread about gays if you don't like people mentioning them.
I think you're yanking at the wrong chain there. Fag is a horribly offensive word to most gay people, though I myself have no issue with it. Giving it power only gives people like you more opportunity to use it.
Original post by ohirome
I think you're yanking at the wrong chain there. Fag is a horribly offensive word to most gay people, though I myself have no issue with it. Giving it power only gives people like you more opportunity to use it.
but if people stopped being offended by it then why can't I use it? None of the gays I associate with mind that term and I don't mind it. I assume the poor user who got upset about it is straight, yes? Straight people get offended on behalf of gay people who don't actually care. Like how white people get offended on behalf of non-whites, who don't actually care. And so on.
Hell, we even have gay events and club nights with names involving the term "fag". It's not a problem imo. Offensive words are ONLY offensive if people decide and agree to get offended by them. What a strange thing to want to do.
Original post by NB_ide
but if people stopped being offended by it then why can't I use it? None of the gays I associate with mind that term and I don't mind it. I assume the poor user who got upset about it is straight, yes? Straight people get offended on behalf of gay people who don't actually care. Like how white people get offended on behalf of non-whites, who don't actually care. And so on.
Hell, we even have gay events and club nights with names involving the term "fag". It's not a problem imo. Offensive words are ONLY offensive if people decide and agree to get offended by them. What a strange thing to want to do.
Hell, we even have gay events and club nights with names involving the term "fag". It's not a problem imo. Offensive words are ONLY offensive if people decide and agree to get offended by them. What a strange thing to want to do.
You don't mind it and those you use it around in your own circle are very different to using it in public knowing full well that it would probably offend people. Its common sense to avoid using words which offend people, regardless of wether or not you personally think its offensive.
Original post by NB_ide
why? Why is that a disgusting word? Tbh I thought people would be different today and not be so offended by homosexuality but I guess I was wrong. Next time don't come in a thread about gays if you don't like people mentioning them.
Original post by NB_ide
but if people stopped being offended by it then why can't I use it? None of the gays I associate with mind that term and I don't mind it. I assume the poor user who got upset about it is straight, yes? Straight people get offended on behalf of gay people who don't actually care. Like how white people get offended on behalf of non-whites, who don't actually care. And so on.
Hell, we even have gay events and club nights with names involving the term "fag". It's not a problem imo. Offensive words are ONLY offensive if people decide and agree to get offended by them. What a strange thing to want to do.
Hell, we even have gay events and club nights with names involving the term "fag". It's not a problem imo. Offensive words are ONLY offensive if people decide and agree to get offended by them. What a strange thing to want to do.
You are so wrong it's funny; as ohirome said, you are completely yanking on the wrong chain.
'Fag' is a derogatory term used to describe gay people by straight people; you wouldn't call a black person the n-word, therefore it isn't acceptable for you to use 'fag'. We have gay events with the word 'fag' because we are trying to reclaim the word 'fag' to stop it being used as a derogatory insult, just as with 'queer' and the black community with the n-word. Just because you use it in your group of friends privately, does not mean it is publicly acceptable, or that the rest of us agree with you.
As for your assumptions about you, you are incredibly wrong and just look rather foolish. I am a lesbian i.e. a gay girl i.e. not straight at all. So you know, funnily enough, I don't have a problem with gay people being mentioned and I am not offended by homosexuality.
But thank you for your contribution.
Original post by ohirome
You don't mind it and those you use it around in your own circle are very different to using it in public knowing full well that it would probably offend people. Its common sense to avoid using words which offend people, regardless of wether or not you personally think its offensive.
If I think they're being ridiculous and irrational to be offended, well they can **** off and learn not to take offence at a random noise I might make with my mouth or a combination of letters on a screen.
Original post by Jester94
You are so wrong it's funny; as ohirome said, you are completely yanking on the wrong chain.
'Fag' is a derogatory term used to describe gay people by straight people; you wouldn't call a black person the n-word, therefore it isn't acceptable for you to use 'fag'. We have gay events with the word 'fag' because we are trying to reclaim the word 'fag' to stop it being used as a derogatory insult, just as with 'queer' and the black community with the n-word. Just because you use it in your group of friends privately, does not mean it is publicly acceptable, or that the rest of us agree with you.
As for your assumptions about you, you are incredibly wrong and just look rather foolish. I am a lesbian i.e. a gay girl i.e. not straight at all. So you know, funnily enough, I don't have a problem with gay people being mentioned and I am not offended by homosexuality.
But thank you for your contribution.
'Fag' is a derogatory term used to describe gay people by straight people; you wouldn't call a black person the n-word, therefore it isn't acceptable for you to use 'fag'. We have gay events with the word 'fag' because we are trying to reclaim the word 'fag' to stop it being used as a derogatory insult, just as with 'queer' and the black community with the n-word. Just because you use it in your group of friends privately, does not mean it is publicly acceptable, or that the rest of us agree with you.
As for your assumptions about you, you are incredibly wrong and just look rather foolish. I am a lesbian i.e. a gay girl i.e. not straight at all. So you know, funnily enough, I don't have a problem with gay people being mentioned and I am not offended by homosexuality.
But thank you for your contribution.
So... is it ok for me to use the word or not? Am I not helping to "reclaim" it? I obviously don't mean it as an insult (which, strangely, is all it takes for any word to kill someone) so what is the problem?
I refuse to pander to people's absurd sensitivities and I'll continue to subtly campaign to normalise "offensive" words until they are no longer offensive. Seems like a nice idea, don't you think?
Original post by NB_ide
So... is it ok for me to use the word or not? Am I not helping to "reclaim" it? I obviously don't mean it as an insult (which, strangely, is all it takes for any word to kill someone) so what is the problem?
I refuse to pander to people's absurd sensitivities and I'll continue to subtly campaign to normalise "offensive" words until they are no longer offensive. Seems like a nice idea, don't you think?
I refuse to pander to people's absurd sensitivities and I'll continue to subtly campaign to normalise "offensive" words until they are no longer offensive. Seems like a nice idea, don't you think?
The idea of reclaiming the word implies you are part of the community that has had said word thrown at them as an insult. It is not reclaiming if you are not part of said community, even if you 'don't mean it' to be insulting. I would not throw around the n-word and claim I am helping black people reclaim it as a word, that is just silly, therefore, to me, it is fairly ridiculous that you claim to be attempting the same thing.
'Absurd sensitivities' - nice.
Original post by NB_ide
If I think they're being ridiculous and irrational to be offended, well they can **** off and learn not to take offence at a random noise I might make with my mouth or a combination of letters on a screen.
Only its not a random noise, its a calculated decision on your part to knowingly use a word which will offend people. Blaming other people for your insensitivity and ignorance doesn't get you far. I would simply think you're uneducated on the matter, but I imagine you wouldn't dream of using the N word or fag knowing full well that there are people of colour or homosexuals near you. The internet is a great place to boast, so your bravado and reluctance to censor yourself is taken with a massive pinch of salt.
ETA; and I'm sorry, but its not absurd to take offence at a word which has long been use to demean and insult people based on their sexual orientation. I am assuming that you are heterosexual and white, therefore you do have a certain privilege in society. With that privilege should come a sense of responsibility to, y'know, not be a total cretin.
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Original post by Jester94
The idea of reclaiming the word implies you are part of the community that has had said word thrown at them as an insult. It is not reclaiming if you are not part of said community, even if you 'don't mean it' to be insulting. I would not throw around the n-word and claim I am helping black people reclaim it as a word, that is just silly, therefore, to me, it is fairly ridiculous that you claim to be attempting the same thing.
'Absurd sensitivities' - nice.
'Absurd sensitivities' - nice.
So I'm not part of the gay community, right?
Original post by ohirome
Only its not a random noise, its a calculated decision on your part to knowingly use a word which will offend people. Blaming other people for your insensitivity and ignorance doesn't get you far. I would simply think you're uneducated on the matter, but I imagine you wouldn't dream of using the N word or fag knowing full well that there are people of colour or homosexuals near you. The internet is a great place to boast, so your bravado and reluctance to censor yourself is taken with a massive pinch of salt.
There was a time when the words were not offensive. That can happen again.
And yes I do routinely use those words around the people that you're so sure they must offend, and because I am friendly and not aggressive then they are not upset by them. Maybe all my friends are strangely unoffendable, but tbh I've encountered only a tiny minority of people who are honestly upset by these sort of words, thank God. It does my head in when someone pipes up at a party or something with "OMFG U CAN'T SAY THAT!" and everyone kind of just looks at them in a pitying sort of way and then carries on.
Original post by NB_ide
So I'm not part of the gay community, right?
Honestly have no idea, I'm not going to assume anything about you, unlike you. If you are, you are, if you're not, you're not.
Original post by NB_ide
So I'm not part of the gay community, right?
There was a time when the words were not offensive. That can happen again.
And yes I do routinely use those words around the people that you're so sure they must offend, and because I am friendly and not aggressive then they are not upset by them. Maybe all my friends are strangely unoffendable, but tbh I've encountered only a tiny minority of people who are honestly upset by these sort of words, thank God. It does my head in when someone pipes up at a party or something with "OMFG U CAN'T SAY THAT!" and everyone kind of just looks at them in a pitying sort of way and then carries on.
There was a time when the words were not offensive. That can happen again.
And yes I do routinely use those words around the people that you're so sure they must offend, and because I am friendly and not aggressive then they are not upset by them. Maybe all my friends are strangely unoffendable, but tbh I've encountered only a tiny minority of people who are honestly upset by these sort of words, thank God. It does my head in when someone pipes up at a party or something with "OMFG U CAN'T SAY THAT!" and everyone kind of just looks at them in a pitying sort of way and then carries on.
You seem to be missing the point entirely. Its perfectly fine to use those words around people that are ok with them because they've clearly put it out there that they don't take issue, but to be so ignorant and insensitive as to use them knowing FULL WELL that they will possibly offend other people around you is just ridiculous and utterly selfish.
The usage of the word fag will never disappear, nor will ever become acceptable. Can it be reclaimed by the community? Yes, it already has. That won't stop people using it in a derogatory manner. You using it with little to no care about who it offends won't bring about change, so please try to avoid p*ssing all over the gay community by saying you're somehow joining our reclamation efforts.
Why do you even need to use it? Why would you use it outside of your circle of friends? Theres quite a few gaps of logic involved here.
Original post by Singh_2
I don't mind homosexual people unless they act homosexual in front of me.
If you don't want homosexuals to act homosexual in front of you perhaps you get the ball rolling by not acting heterosexual in front of other people.
Original post by The Doggfather
i am scared of homos, dont ask why, i just am. natural instinct, cant change the way i am, i am scared of them.
not joking
i feel uncomfortable if i am like a meter away from one, don't criticise me for who i am
(this is not trolling)
not joking
i feel uncomfortable if i am like a meter away from one, don't criticise me for who i am
(this is not trolling)
What is it that makes you uncomfortable about being close to a gay person? And do you react the same to gay women as you do to gay men?
The funny thing is, you probably don't even realise who half the gay people are in a crowd, so you would come into contact with a lot more gay people than you realise.
Original post by The Doggfather
i am scared of homos, dont ask why, i just am. natural instinct, cant change the way i am, i am scared of them.
not joking
i feel uncomfortable if i am like a meter away from one, don't criticise me for who i am
(this is not trolling)
not joking
i feel uncomfortable if i am like a meter away from one, don't criticise me for who i am
(this is not trolling)
You weren't born ignorant, you decided to be ignorant. In no way is that 'who you are' or part of your natural instinct. Id also love to know how exactly you can tell when a homosexual is near you.
Original post by The Doggfather
i am scared of homos, dont ask why, i just am. natural instinct, cant change the way i am, i am scared of them.
not joking
i feel uncomfortable if i am like a meter away from one, don't criticise me for who i am
(this is not trolling)
not joking
i feel uncomfortable if i am like a meter away from one, don't criticise me for who i am
(this is not trolling)
Why?
If two hot girls started making out right in front of you, would you object?
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