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Hi, could someone please explain, in stages how to complete a question I have been trying to finish for a while, thanks.
I'm new to this and cannot insert pictures, sorry.

Sum of (from 1 to n) r[3^(r-1)][3^n(2n-1)+1]

Thanks.
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I presume you can do the other bits so do you want to explain what you tried for your inductive step?
Reply 2
Original post by helpstoask
Hi, could someone please explain, in stages how to complete a question I have been trying to finish for a while, thanks.
I'm new to this and cannot insert pictures, sorry.

Sum of (from 1 to n) r[3^(r-1)][3^n(2n-1)+1]

Thanks.


You need to show your working.

Inserting pictures isn't anything difficult, just upload the image on a image sharing site, and paste the link here.
Reply 3
An outline of steps to get to the right answer will be:

Step 1: Show that it's true for n=1n=1;

Step 2: Note that r=1k+1r.3r1=(r=1kr.3r1)+(k+1).3k\displaystyle \sum_{r=1}^{k+1} r.3^{r-1} = \left( \sum_{r=1}^k r.3^{r-1} \right) + (k+1).3^k and apply the induction hypothesis to the big bracket;

Step 3: Rearrange stuff.

If you're still stuck, show your working and we'll see where you're going wrong.

[For typing maths into TSR, look at the Guide to LaTeX.]
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Actually it isn't even true. Where did you get this from?
Reply 5
Original post by nuodai
An outline of steps to get to the right answer will be:

Step 1: Show that it's true for n=1n=1;

Step 2: Note that r=1k+1r3(r1)=(r=1kr3(r1))+(k+1)3((k+1)1)\displaystyle \sum_{r=1}^{k+1} r^3(r-1) = \left( \sum_{r=1}^k r^3(r-1) \right) + (k+1)^3((k+1)-1) and apply the induction hypothesis to the big bracket;

Step 3: Rearrange stuff.

If you're still stuck, show your working and we'll see where you're going wrong.

[For typing maths into TSR, look at the Guide to LaTeX.]


The OP has written the question as: Sum of (from 1 to n) r[3^(r-1)][3^n(2n-1)+1]:

It means r=1nr(3r1)=... \displaystyle \sum _{r=1}^n r(3^{r-1})= ...
Original post by raheem94
The OP has written the question as: Sum of (from 1 to n) r[3^(r-1)][3^n(2n-1)+1]:

It means r=1nr(3r1)=... \displaystyle \sum _{r=1}^n r(3^{r-1})= ...


He has now but he hadn't then!
Reply 7
Hi guys, thanks for the replies, Raheem is right, the question is as he stated, sorry i could'nt put it in the normal form.
Thanks

And yes, it seems unbelievable, but I did originally type the question wrongly, sorry
Reply 8
Original post by raheem94
The OP has written the question as: Sum of (from 1 to n) r[3^(r-1)][3^n(2n-1)+1]:

It means r=1nr(3r1)=... \displaystyle \sum _{r=1}^n r(3^{r-1})= ...


The OP edited their post whilst I was writing my reply. I'll edit my post appropriately - thanks.
Reply 9
I get to [3^k(2k-1)+1+4(k+1)3^k]

Then I cannot continue
Reply 10
There's actually a sneaky way to do this question.

Let f(x)=xrf(x)=x^r, then f(x)=rxr1f'(x)=rx^{r-1} and so f(3)=r.3r1f'(3)=r.3^{r-1}.

So extending this to the sum we have

r=1nr.3r1=[ddxr=1nxr]x=3\displaystyle \sum_{r=1}^n r.3^{r-1} = \left[ \dfrac{d}{dx} \sum_{r=1}^n x^r \right]_{x=3}

The sum in the brackets is a geometric series which evaluates to xn+11x1\dfrac{x^{n+1}-1}{x-1}, which differentiates (by the quotient rule) to give (n+1)xn(x1)(xn+11)(x1)2\dfrac{(n+1)x^n(x-1) - (x^{n+1}-1)}{(x-1)^2}. Plugging in x=3x=3 and simplifying gives the desired result.

[But you've been asked to prove this by induction.]
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Reply 11
Original post by helpstoask
I get to [3^k(2k-1)+1+4(k+1)3^k]

Then I cannot continue


You're close, you just need to simplify. The +1 is fine because that's in the final answer; so take out 3k3^k as a common factor from the other bits and see if you can rearrange to get the required form.
Original post by helpstoask
I get to [3^k(2k-1)+1+4(k+1)3^k]

Then I cannot continue


That is correct.

Expand it all out then collect up like terms.

Factorise 3k3^k and remember that 3×3k=3k+13 \times 3^k = 3^{k+1}
Reply 13
Still cannot, finish it, I don't know why, aiming for : ¼ [3^k+1 (2k+1) +1]
Sorry
Reply 14
Original post by helpstoask
Still cannot, finish it, I don't know why, aiming for : ¼ [3^k+1 (2k+1) +1]
Sorry


Right, so you have 14[3k(2k1)+1+4(k+1)3k]\dfrac{1}{4}\big[3^k(2k-1)+ 1+4(k+1)3^k \big]

Take out the 3k3^k as a common factor to get

14[3k[2k1+4(k+1)]+1]\dfrac{1}{4}\big[ 3^k[2k-1 + 4(k+1)] + 1\big]

Can you see what to do now, given what you've been told so far?

Hint: simplify the bracket after 3k3^k and then look for common factors.
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Original post by helpstoask
Still cannot, finish it, I don't know why, aiming for : ¼ [3^k+1 (2k+1) +1]
Sorry


That's what you get if you follow my advice.
Reply 16
Original post by helpstoask
I get to [3^k(2k-1)+1+4(k+1)3^k]

Then I cannot continue


14(3k(2k1)+1+4(k+1)3k)=14((2k)3k3k+1+(4k)3k+(4)3k)=14(3k(2k)+3.3k+(4k)3k+1)=14(3k(2k)+(4k)3k+3k+1+1)=14(3k(6k)+3k+1+1) \displaystyle \frac14 (3^k(2k-1)+1+4(k+1)3^k ) = \frac14 ((2k) 3^k - 3^k + 1 + (4k)3^k+(4)3^k ) = \frac14 (3^k(2k) + 3.3^k +(4k)3^k +1)= \frac14 (3^k(2k) +(4k)3^k + 3^{k+1} +1) = \frac14 (3^k(6k) + 3^{k+1} +1)

Now try to simplify, 3k(6k)  to  2k(3k+1) 3^k(6k) \ \ to \ \ 2k(3^{k+1})
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Reply 17
Original post by nuodai
You're close, you just need to simplify. The +1 is fine because that's in the final answer; so take out 3k3^k as a common factor from the other bits and see if you can rearrange to get the required form.


but how do you factorise out the 3^k when there is a +1 in that first term?
Original post by nuodai
Right, so you have 14[3k(2k1)+1+4(k+1)3k]\dfrac{1}{4}[3^k(2k-1)+1+4(k+1)3^k]

Take out the 3k3^k as a common factor to get

14[3k(2k1+4(k+1))+1]\dfrac{1}{4}[3^k(2k-1 + 4(k+1)) + 1]

Can you see what to do now, given what you've been told so far?

Hint: simplify the bracket after 3k3^k and then look for common factors.


I suggested expanding it all for a reason, students with less ability than you struggle with anything but the simplest factorisation.
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Reply 19
Ahh, thanks, I don't know why I kept getting stuck on that, i understand now, i kept getting to ¼[3^k(6k+4)]
Thanks for your help

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