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  1. helpstoask's Avatar
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    Proof by Induction
    Hi, could someone please explain, in stages how to complete a question I have been trying to finish for a while, thanks.
    I'm new to this and cannot insert pictures, sorry.

    Sum of (from 1 to n) r[3^(r-1)]=¼[3^n(2n-1)+1]

    Thanks.
    Last edited by helpstoask; 07-05-2012 at 16:18.
  2. Mr M's Avatar
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    Re: Proof by Induction
    I presume you can do the other bits so do you want to explain what you tried for your inductive step?
  3. raheem94's Avatar
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    Re: Proof by Induction
    (Original post by helpstoask)
    Hi, could someone please explain, in stages how to complete a question I have been trying to finish for a while, thanks.
    I'm new to this and cannot insert pictures, sorry.

    Sum of (from 1 to n) r[3^(r-1)]=¼[3^n(2n-1)+1]

    Thanks.
    You need to show your working.

    Inserting pictures isn't anything difficult, just upload the image on a image sharing site, and paste the link here.
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    Re: Proof by Induction
    An outline of steps to get to the right answer will be:

    Step 1: Show that it's true for n=1;

    Step 2: Note that \displaystyle \sum_{r=1}^{k+1} r.3^{r-1} = \left( \sum_{r=1}^k r.3^{r-1} \right) + (k+1).3^k and apply the induction hypothesis to the big bracket;

    Step 3: Rearrange stuff.

    If you're still stuck, show your working and we'll see where you're going wrong.

    [For typing maths into TSR, look at the Guide to LaTeX.]
    Last edited by nuodai; 07-05-2012 at 16:30.
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    Re: Proof by Induction
    Actually it isn't even true. Where did you get this from?
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    Re: Proof by Induction
    (Original post by nuodai)
    An outline of steps to get to the right answer will be:

    Step 1: Show that it's true for n=1;

    Step 2: Note that \displaystyle \sum_{r=1}^{k+1} r^3(r-1) = \left( \sum_{r=1}^k r^3(r-1) \right) + (k+1)^3((k+1)-1) and apply the induction hypothesis to the big bracket;

    Step 3: Rearrange stuff.

    If you're still stuck, show your working and we'll see where you're going wrong.

    [For typing maths into TSR, look at the Guide to LaTeX.]
    The OP has written the question as: Sum of (from 1 to n) r[3^(r-1)]=¼[3^n(2n-1)+1]:

    It means  \displaystyle \sum _{r=1}^n r(3^{r-1})= ...
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    Re: Proof by Induction
    (Original post by raheem94)
    The OP has written the question as: Sum of (from 1 to n) r[3^(r-1)]=¼[3^n(2n-1)+1]:

    It means  \displaystyle \sum _{r=1}^n r(3^{r-1})= ...
    He has now but he hadn't then!
  8. helpstoask's Avatar
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    Re: Proof by Induction
    Hi guys, thanks for the replies, Raheem is right, the question is as he stated, sorry i could'nt put it in the normal form.
    Thanks

    And yes, it seems unbelievable, but I did originally type the question wrongly, sorry
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    Re: Proof by Induction
    (Original post by raheem94)
    The OP has written the question as: Sum of (from 1 to n) r[3^(r-1)]=¼[3^n(2n-1)+1]:

    It means  \displaystyle \sum _{r=1}^n r(3^{r-1})= ...
    The OP edited their post whilst I was writing my reply. I'll edit my post appropriately - thanks.
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    Re: Proof by Induction
    I get to =¼[3^k(2k-1)+1+4(k+1)3^k]

    Then I cannot continue
  11. nuodai's Avatar
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    Re: Proof by Induction
    There's actually a sneaky way to do this question.

    Let f(x)=x^r, then f'(x)=rx^{r-1} and so f'(3)=r.3^{r-1}.

    So extending this to the sum we have

    \displaystyle \sum_{r=1}^n r.3^{r-1} = \left[ \dfrac{d}{dx} \sum_{r=1}^n x^r \right]_{x=3}

    The sum in the brackets is a geometric series which evaluates to \dfrac{x^{n+1}-1}{x-1}, which differentiates (by the quotient rule) to give \dfrac{(n+1)x^n(x-1) - (x^{n+1}-1)}{(x-1)^2}. Plugging in x=3 and simplifying gives the desired result.

    [But you've been asked to prove this by induction.]
    Last edited by nuodai; 07-05-2012 at 16:41.
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    (Original post by helpstoask)
    I get to =¼[3^k(2k-1)+1+4(k+1)3^k]

    Then I cannot continue
    You're close, you just need to simplify. The +1 is fine because that's in the final answer; so take out 3^k as a common factor from the other bits and see if you can rearrange to get the required form.
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    Re: Proof by Induction
    (Original post by helpstoask)
    I get to =¼[3^k(2k-1)+1+4(k+1)3^k]

    Then I cannot continue
    That is correct.

    Expand it all out then collect up like terms.

    Factorise 3^k and remember that 3 \times 3^k = 3^{k+1}
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    Re: Proof by Induction
    Still cannot, finish it, I don't know why, aiming for : ¼ [3^k+1 (2k+1) +1]
    Sorry
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    (Original post by helpstoask)
    Still cannot, finish it, I don't know why, aiming for : ¼ [3^k+1 (2k+1) +1]
    Sorry
    Right, so you have \dfrac{1}{4}\big[3^k(2k-1)+ 1+4(k+1)3^k \big]

    Take out the 3^k as a common factor to get

    \dfrac{1}{4}\big[ 3^k[2k-1 + 4(k+1)] + 1\big]

    Can you see what to do now, given what you've been told so far?

    Hint: simplify the bracket after 3^k and then look for common factors.
    Last edited by nuodai; 07-05-2012 at 16:51.
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    (Original post by helpstoask)
    Still cannot, finish it, I don't know why, aiming for : ¼ [3^k+1 (2k+1) +1]
    Sorry
    That's what you get if you follow my advice.
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    Re: Proof by Induction
    (Original post by helpstoask)
    I get to =¼[3^k(2k-1)+1+4(k+1)3^k]

    Then I cannot continue
     \displaystyle \frac14 (3^k(2k-1)+1+4(k+1)3^k ) = \frac14 ((2k) 3^k - 3^k + 1 + (4k)3^k+(4)3^k ) = \frac14 (3^k(2k) + 3.3^k +(4k)3^k +1)= \frac14 (3^k(2k) +(4k)3^k + 3^{k+1} +1) = \frac14 (3^k(6k)  + 3^{k+1} +1)

    Now try to simplify,  3^k(6k) \ \ to \ \ 2k(3^{k+1})
    Last edited by raheem94; 07-05-2012 at 16:53.
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    Re: Proof by Induction
    (Original post by nuodai)
    You're close, you just need to simplify. The +1 is fine because that's in the final answer; so take out 3^k as a common factor from the other bits and see if you can rearrange to get the required form.
    but how do you factorise out the 3^k when there is a +1 in that first term?
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    Re: Proof by Induction
    (Original post by nuodai)
    Right, so you have \dfrac{1}{4}[3^k(2k-1)+1+4(k+1)3^k]

    Take out the 3^k as a common factor to get

    \dfrac{1}{4}[3^k(2k-1 + 4(k+1)) + 1]

    Can you see what to do now, given what you've been told so far?

    Hint: simplify the bracket after 3^k and then look for common factors.
    I suggested expanding it all for a reason, students with less ability than you struggle with anything but the simplest factorisation.
    Last edited by Mr M; 07-05-2012 at 16:53. Reason: Point proved!
  20. helpstoask's Avatar
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    Re: Proof by Induction
    Ahh, thanks, I don't know why I kept getting stuck on that, i understand now, i kept getting to ¼[3^k(6k+4)]
    Thanks for your help
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