Men have it harder then women
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Original post by emilie18
I'm not being arrogant or patronising, you've just irritated me with your complete refusal to debate intelligently, your assumptions and the fact that you called me stupid for no apparent reason
Agree to disagree I reckon eh?
I'm not being arrogant or patronising, you've just irritated me with your complete refusal to debate intelligently, your assumptions and the fact that you called me stupid for no apparent reason
Agree to disagree I reckon eh?
Sorry for calling you 'stupid'.
But you come across as a bit of a know it all.
Original post by fat_hobbit
Sorry for calling you 'stupid'.
But you come across as a bit of a know it all.
But you come across as a bit of a know it all.
Ok thanks
Ahh, I didn't mean to.
Original post by fat_hobbit
We are expected:
- to be successful, independent and able to provide for a woman (if in a r.ship). Every girl I have been with, eventually expects me to pay for everything.
- to be successful, independent and able to provide for a woman (if in a r.ship). Every girl I have been with, eventually expects me to pay for everything.
Completely untrue. Maybe 50 years ago yes but nowadays the breakdown of strict family rules means that men have also benefited because they are no longer required to have money to marry. Look at all the unemployed wasters getting all the girls these days
Original post by fat_hobbit
- With pin up boys like Ronaldo etc, the pressure on men to look good is a bigger deal now then in the past.
Completely untrue. Nothing has changed. The average bloke sees an advert with Ronaldo's oiled and waxed abs, he calls him a phaggot and he keeps on walking. Men who put a lot of effort into their appearance are looked down upon by other men as homosexual and even women think it's a bit OTT to spend all day in the gym and wax your body. Women like rough and manly men. You cannot compare male body image to female body image. My uncles were comparing their beer guts at a family gathering the other day. This big fat black guy notorious B.I.G lookalike was the most popular kid in my school.
Original post by fat_hobbit
A LOT of women on the other hand, can get sex much more easily then men.
Technically no. A guy can just pay. Easiest sex there is. Also sex isn't important.
Original post by fat_hobbit
- Acquire status, respect from our peers otherwise are considered weak.
I don't base my friends on how successful they are. Women on the other hand are very bitchy and some base their friends on how attractive they are.
Original post by fat_hobbit
- Not meant o show weakness/emotions to anyone. As a result men bottle things up more easily.
This is your one valid point.
Original post by peter12345
Technically no. A guy can just pay. Easiest sex there is. Also sex isn't important.
Virgin detected! Sex is important.
Don't speak of what you know not.
Original post by peter12345
Completely untrue. Maybe 50 years ago yes but nowadays the breakdown of strict family rules means that men have also benefited because they are no longer required to have money to marry. Look at all the unemployed wasters getting all the girls these days
Tbh, if anything, I know more guys struggling with girls.
And if they are not, on average they settle with the first girls that comes along.
You don't seem to realise that women like be with guys who make them look good and are not losers.
Completely untrue. Nothing has changed. The average bloke sees an advert with Ronaldo's oiled and waxed abs, he calls him a phaggot and he keeps on walking. Men who put a lot of effort into their appearance are looked down upon by other men as homosexual and even women think it's a bit OTT to spend all day in the gym and wax your body. Women like rough and manly men. You cannot compare male body image to female body image. My uncles were comparing their beer guts at a family gathering the other day. This big fat black guy notorious B.I.G lookalike was the most popular kid in my school.
Obviously that is an extreme.
But if you are butt ugly, you will struggle period.
Average girls also have the upper hand with dating. I knew a total sket at uni who was 15 stones at 4 foot and would brag that she has slept with 20+ guys.
Male equivilant will be spending his days masturbating watching hardcore porn. Or as you put it paying for sex....
Technically no. A guy can just pay. Easiest sex there is. Also sex isn't important.
Lol lol.
I don't base my friends on how successful they are. Women on the other hand are very bitchy and some base their friends on how attractive they are.
This is your one valid point.
Glad we agree here, and you will find this **** ties perfectly with my earlier points, because with bitchyness comes selfishness.
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Original post by fat_hobbit
Because my ex didnt say that sarcastically , she was serious.
Your only argument against me is childbirth. Its getting boring. I have addressed your points on multiple occasions.
Your only argument against me is childbirth. Its getting boring. I have addressed your points on multiple occasions.
Nope you still haven't discussed the fact none of things you mentioned are a 'necessity'/profoundly important. Nor have you justified that they are 'requirements' as opposed to expectations which you have a choice to conform to or not.
Further points to add to your argument:
- to be successful, independent and able to provide for a woman (if in a r.ship). Every girl I have been with, eventually expects me to pay for everything:
If a woman becomes the breadwinner anyway, men can often feel their 'masculinity' is challenged - can't win either way. What's more that premise has largely vanished as women are becoming more independent and seeking out careers hence why women are having less children and having them older. There is an increasing pressure on everyone, gone are the days most households can rely on a single income.
- With pin up boys like Ronaldo etc, the pressure on men to look good is a bigger deal now then in the past. So that they have a heads up in the dating game. A LOT of women on the other hand, can get sex much more easily then men.
'Getting sex' isn't everything and depending on the situation, isn't particularly a good thing. If you wanted to look like Ronaldo you could with exercise. The key difference between men's and women's is that one is realistic, attainable and wholly dependent on exercise while the other is unrealistic, unattainable for most people without surgery and largely determined by genetics that are rare.
- Acquire status, respect from our peers otherwise are considered weak.
Considered weak by who - other men? What do you mean by 'status'? Try always being considered weak regardless, simply because you are a woman.
- Not meant o show weakness/emotions to anyone. As a result men bottle things up more easily.
With this I largely agree.
Case in point:
Just now I heard my ex tell me she had an affair with a married guy. Would happily date my friends if I introduced her and she liked him. Post break up I was so depressed trying to get over it let alone cheat with married women,
Classy hey.
Just now I heard my ex tell me she had an affair with a married guy. Would happily date my friends if I introduced her and she liked him. Post break up I was so depressed trying to get over it let alone cheat with married women,
Classy hey.
Original post by Ultimate1
There are more expectations on men no doubt but the fact is that when men get older that's when the tables turn.
Most women really go south after about 25, most men haven't even reached their prime by 25. Most women lose most of their value after 30. So if you can slug out the first few years of your 20's, get your life in order and get your priorities straight it should actually be plain sailing from there. So although women may have it easier earlier they have it much harder later on. Men have it harder earlier on but, unless they put in zero effort, they have a much much easier ride later on. So in the long term the men end up winning.
Most women really go south after about 25, most men haven't even reached their prime by 25. Most women lose most of their value after 30. So if you can slug out the first few years of your 20's, get your life in order and get your priorities straight it should actually be plain sailing from there. So although women may have it easier earlier they have it much harder later on. Men have it harder earlier on but, unless they put in zero effort, they have a much much easier ride later on. So in the long term the men end up winning.
So all the young women are in the north?
Original post by wildbluesun
There's stuff about being a man that sucks and stuff about being a woman that sucks. There's no real way of comparing the two, and trying to decide who has it "worse" is ridiculous. There's no objective measure of suffering. Rather than having a ridiculous, swooning argument along these lines: "but vagina people have it so awful" "no but penis people have it worse" "well vaginas have children come out of them" "well penises hurt when you punch them" "well if you weren't - " "if you didn't - " "MY SUFFERING IS MORE VALID THAN YOUR SUFFERING"...how about we say that both gender's issues are valid, worth talking about, and worth fixing?
Seriously. Silly discussion. It's like asking whether cancer patients or AIDs patients have it worse. Although hopefully none of you think being a man or a woman is as bad as either cancer or AIDs.
Seriously. Silly discussion. It's like asking whether cancer patients or AIDs patients have it worse. Although hopefully none of you think being a man or a woman is as bad as either cancer or AIDs.
A very good post. I have nothing more to add than this. It's good to know some people have their heads screwed on straight!!!!
Agreed. I hate to admit to it, but many of your points are actually correct. Especially, the "acquire status" one. In my experience, I have seen so many guys make fun of other guys to "get respect", especially when there is a female present. You're less likely to see the same thing in a group of girls.
I would also agree that an average looking girl would easy find a boyfriend without even making the first move. Starting a conversation etc. Whereas an average looking boy would find it quite hard to get a girlfriend without making the first move. Generally speaking, of course. There are rare situations when some break the societal norms.
I would also agree that an average looking girl would easy find a boyfriend without even making the first move. Starting a conversation etc. Whereas an average looking boy would find it quite hard to get a girlfriend without making the first move. Generally speaking, of course. There are rare situations when some break the societal norms.
Original post by fat_hobbit
We are expected:
- to be successful, independent and able to provide for a woman (if in a r.ship). Every girl I have been with, eventually expects me to pay for everything.
- With pin up boys like Ronaldo etc, the pressure on men to look good is a bigger deal now then in the past. So that they have a heads up in the dating game. A LOT of women on the other hand, can get sex much more easily then men.
- Acquire status, respect from our peers otherwise are considered weak.
- Not meant o show weakness/emotions to anyone. As a result men bottle things up more easily.
Failing any of the 3 (not so much point 2), the man is normally treated as a loser.
Do you agree that men have it harder then women?
Discuss.
- to be successful, independent and able to provide for a woman (if in a r.ship). Every girl I have been with, eventually expects me to pay for everything.
- With pin up boys like Ronaldo etc, the pressure on men to look good is a bigger deal now then in the past. So that they have a heads up in the dating game. A LOT of women on the other hand, can get sex much more easily then men.
- Acquire status, respect from our peers otherwise are considered weak.
- Not meant o show weakness/emotions to anyone. As a result men bottle things up more easily.
Failing any of the 3 (not so much point 2), the man is normally treated as a loser.
Do you agree that men have it harder then women?
Discuss.
Unless your vagina leaks once every month, not the same thing.
Original post by fat_hobbit
Tbh, if anything, I know more guys struggling with girls.
And if they are not, on average they settle with the first girls that comes along.
You don't seem to realise that women like be with guys who make them look good and are not losers.
Obviously that is an extreme.
But if you are butt ugly, you will struggle period.
Average girls also have the upper hand with dating. I knew a total sket at uni who was 15 stones at 4 foot and would brag that she has slept with 20+ guys.
Male equivilant will be spending his days masturbating watching hardcore porn. Or as you put it paying for sex....
Lol lol.
Glad we agree here, and you will find this **** ties perfectly with my earlier points, because with bitchyness comes selfishness.
And if they are not, on average they settle with the first girls that comes along.
You don't seem to realise that women like be with guys who make them look good and are not losers.
Obviously that is an extreme.
But if you are butt ugly, you will struggle period.
Average girls also have the upper hand with dating. I knew a total sket at uni who was 15 stones at 4 foot and would brag that she has slept with 20+ guys.
Male equivilant will be spending his days masturbating watching hardcore porn. Or as you put it paying for sex....
Lol lol.
Glad we agree here, and you will find this **** ties perfectly with my earlier points, because with bitchyness comes selfishness.
In 5-10 years no one is gonna touch that landwhale. Guys just see her as a bit of quick easy young pussy. She won't be young forever. Yes butt ugly guys struggle but not nearly as much as butt ugly girls
And what is wrong with paying for sex? You haven't proved me wrong. If I want to have sex right now I can just ring up a hooker easy as that. Why is that any different from a one night stand with a drunk girl at a bar?
Original post by fat_hobbit
Yeah, Sorry.
Women:
- Have a pressure to look pretty. But I have known many unattractive women who go in and out of relationships. So probably never have to face the prospect of dying alone. These include morbidly obese women. Who are in double figuers in terms of the amount of men they have been with.
- Feminism means that women are equal in terms of men career wise providing that they are as smart as them.
- Women are allowed to be emotional, when men are, they are considered sensitive and weak..
- Even if the girl does not have a career, and is a bit dimwitted, many can just marry a guy and get him to provide for her. This is especially true for the pretty ones.
Women:
- Have a pressure to look pretty. But I have known many unattractive women who go in and out of relationships. So probably never have to face the prospect of dying alone. These include morbidly obese women. Who are in double figuers in terms of the amount of men they have been with.
- Feminism means that women are equal in terms of men career wise providing that they are as smart as them.
- Women are allowed to be emotional, when men are, they are considered sensitive and weak..
- Even if the girl does not have a career, and is a bit dimwitted, many can just marry a guy and get him to provide for her. This is especially true for the pretty ones.
In fairness women seem to put pressure on each other to look good, but they also put pressure on men to look good whereas I don't think men really care how other men think they look.
Original post by OMGWTFBBQ
Virgin detected! Sex is important.
Don't speak of what you know not.
Don't speak of what you know not.
Not a virgin.
Original post by fat_hobbit
We are expected:
- to be successful, independent and able to provide for a woman (if in a r.ship). Every girl I have been with, eventually expects me to pay for everything.
- With pin up boys like Ronaldo etc, the pressure on men to look good is a bigger deal now then in the past. So that they have a heads up in the dating game. A LOT of women on the other hand, can get sex much more easily then men.
- Acquire status, respect from our peers otherwise are considered weak.
- Not meant o show weakness/emotions to anyone. As a result men bottle things up more easily.
Failing any of the 3 (not so much point 2), the man is normally treated as a loser.
Do you agree that men have it harder then women?
Discuss.
- to be successful, independent and able to provide for a woman (if in a r.ship). Every girl I have been with, eventually expects me to pay for everything.
- With pin up boys like Ronaldo etc, the pressure on men to look good is a bigger deal now then in the past. So that they have a heads up in the dating game. A LOT of women on the other hand, can get sex much more easily then men.
- Acquire status, respect from our peers otherwise are considered weak.
- Not meant o show weakness/emotions to anyone. As a result men bottle things up more easily.
Failing any of the 3 (not so much point 2), the man is normally treated as a loser.
Do you agree that men have it harder then women?
Discuss.
Only in your culture, buddy
Original post by rosee92
No one can ever experience both. So your argument is completely idiotic.
Having a cesarean isn't the easy option either. You have to spend 6 weeks recovering, it's a serious operation. Plus you have to recover while looking after a newborn baby.
I dare you to go up to a woman in her 30th hour of labour with serious complications like foetal distress or the danger caused by a narrow pelvis and say "well you could've had an abortion, love."
Having a cesarean isn't the easy option either. You have to spend 6 weeks recovering, it's a serious operation. Plus you have to recover while looking after a newborn baby.
I dare you to go up to a woman in her 30th hour of labour with serious complications like foetal distress or the danger caused by a narrow pelvis and say "well you could've had an abortion, love."
I fell out of a tree when I was 12 and belly flopped onto concrete. My mother wasn't very sympathetic until she realised I was gonna be in intensive care for a while.
While in intensive care a doctor explained to my Mum why I was screaming when I wasn't drugged up. He told he the pain I was going through is like an intense child birth (I'm not sure exactly how but I think he just wanted to let my Mum know why I started screaming in pain every 6 hours).
So yeah I've been kicked in the balls and (kinda) experienced child birth.
There isn't any comparison, they both hurt like hell! But when you get kicked in the balls it's like someone hooked your stomach and ripping it out, then the pain in the balls themselves come a while later. That sickening feeling is the worst! If I were to have constant pain for the rest of my life it definitely wouldn't be the feeling of getting kicked in the nuts. A ruptured spleen, punctured stomach and couple blood clots (my childbirth) anyday.
Original post by fat_hobbit
We are expected:
- to be successful, independent and able to provide for a woman (if in a r.ship). Every girl I have been with, eventually expects me to pay for everything.
- With pin up boys like Ronaldo etc, the pressure on men to look good is a bigger deal now then in the past. So that they have a heads up in the dating game. A LOT of women on the other hand, can get sex much more easily then men.
- Acquire status, respect from our peers otherwise are considered weak.
- Not meant o show weakness/emotions to anyone. As a result men bottle things up more easily.
Failing any of the 3 (not so much point 2), the man is normally treated as a loser.
Do you agree that men have it harder then women?
Discuss.
- to be successful, independent and able to provide for a woman (if in a r.ship). Every girl I have been with, eventually expects me to pay for everything.
- With pin up boys like Ronaldo etc, the pressure on men to look good is a bigger deal now then in the past. So that they have a heads up in the dating game. A LOT of women on the other hand, can get sex much more easily then men.
- Acquire status, respect from our peers otherwise are considered weak.
- Not meant o show weakness/emotions to anyone. As a result men bottle things up more easily.
Failing any of the 3 (not so much point 2), the man is normally treated as a loser.
Do you agree that men have it harder then women?
Discuss.
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Original post by alexs2602
In fairness women seem to put pressure on each other to look good, but they also put pressure on men to look good whereas I don't think men really care how other men think they look.
What's all this "Do you even lift?" stuff about if not pressuring other men to look good? (I guess this is also to do with the whole "not being weak" thing too...)
And while I'm on the subject of weakness, the only reason men are ridiculed for being weak (physically and emotionally) is because they are expected to be strong, whereas women are expected to be weak. I understand that being forced to be 'strong' all the time must be exhausted, but the alternative is not so great either - it is the idea that because you are a woman you must be weak, and you have to fight really hard to be seen as strong.
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