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David Cameron's porn ban will cripple UK porn industry, let's increase unemployment!

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Original post by locrian37
they have already outright banned streaming sites


I can tell you right now that this affected no one. brb google streaming site and exactly same site comes up but unblocked.
He's not banning porn.

In fact, how many of these kiddies that are still living with their parents, are actually paying for the porn they are accessing. Do you pay for it or do you just get the free previews and go on those sites where other people have illegally uploaded porn.

If you're not paying for porn, the industry isn't going to miss you as a consumer.

I would guess that most of the people that have pay subscriptions to porn sites, when faced with the question do you want to opt in or opt out of porn, will choose to opt in.
Reply 42
I can't even crack a boner watching babestation tbh, I'm that desensitized.
Original post by ThePersian
You are right in terms of an Economic viewpoint.
However, it's not just the effect on the economy that we must think about.
Morality and Crime are both linked with pornography.

In my opinion, pornography is surely a 'bad' thing to have in society (I'm not even talking about religion - many believe porn is closely linked with rape) but I don't think the government has the right to decide whether people should watch it or not.

However, I do hope the only reason you are upset is the economic problems caused by the ban and not sexual desires (lol, Joke)


I like porn, like any other honest guy, and I've never committed a crime and I've never even imagined raping women, if anything porn causes my sex drive to lower and thus I'm not even thinking about sex afterwards (if anything it has desensitised me, unlike in countries that have banned porn and are hypersensitive and thus more likely to see a need to rape). even *if* it causes more rapes, which it doesn't (there are facts to prove it) that's no reason to think we shouldn't have it in society when it allows individual and law abiding people happiness while at the same time, hypothetically, causing statistically more rapes (again that's completely unfounded to claim), especially when you said that the government shouldn't have a right to tell us what to watch and what not to watch etc
Reply 44
Original post by TheLoveDoctor
I like porn, like any other honest guy, and I've never committed a crime and I've never even imagined raping women, if anything porn causes my sex drive to lower and thus I'm not even thinking about sex afterwards (if anything it has desensitised me, unlike in countries that have banned porn and are hypersensitive and thus more likely to see a need to rape). even *if* it causes more rapes, which it doesn't (there are facts to prove it) that's no reason to think we shouldn't have it in society when it allows individual and law abiding people happiness while at the same time, hypothetically, causing statistically more rapes (again that's completely unfounded to claim), especially when you said that the government shouldn't have a right to tell us what to watch and what not to watch etc


Hey,

Some good points there, however, if you read what I wrote again, you will realise I didn't say "I believe watching porn causes rape". What I said was that some believe it does. Read The Porn Trap where the author discusses that porn causes a lot of social harm inc. rape. However, I don't believe rape is derived from porn as rape has existed far before the porn industry. Also, stats show that rape is decreasing (but, that may be because of a more powerful police force and security)

Furthermore, I believe all women should be against porn. It definitely shows women as an economic good or just a product to be used by men.
Think about this and we will discuss further if you wish.
Original post by ThePersian
Hey,

Some good points there, however, if you read what I wrote again, you will realise I didn't say "I believe watching porn causes rape". What I said was that some believe it does. Read The Porn Trap where the author discusses that porn causes a lot of social harm inc. rape. However, I don't believe rape is derived from porn as rape has existed far before the porn industry. Also, stats show that rape is decreasing (but, that may be because of a more powerful police force and security)

Furthermore, I believe all women should be against porn. It definitely shows women as an economic good or just a product to be used by men.
Think about this and we will discuss further if you wish.


it did sort of sound a lot like you were saying "porn is bad for society because it will lead to rape" - what else were you saying other than that? and in terms of the evolution of our (western) civilisation, the rights of women has gone through the roof whereas porn has also dramatically increased in production, so I don't think at all that one causes the other to decrease. a free society will allow men to respond to their innate desires (looking at naked women or women engaging in sex), while women will be allowed to respond to their own desires (perhaps watching men or something else sexual) and it doesn't mean that women (or men) will be objectified for being in porn, and the other factor is that women consent to being in it while getting a lot of money. if you think about the society we have today compared with those countries in the world that ban or severely limit porn, do you consider our society better or worse for women? the fact that porn exists in a free society simply means, at least to me, that some women enjoy being in porn and therefore participate in it for the rewards e.g. money and sexual gratification (and to some extent you might also say that porn may empower women because they can "control" men though sex etc but that's a bit beyond what I'm saying here). porn, to sum up, simply allows us to, instead of having sex or even raping to achieve our sexual desires, get them ourselves and not harm or affect other people while fulfilling them. if it is likely to decrease stress and worry as well then I consider it a good thing in society. more importantly than reducing stress I seriously consider porn to, as your statistics would reflect, be a factor perhaps to decrease sexual assaults towards women (and perhaps also men) because instead of venting these sexual feelings unto others, they can be kept at bay through porn and people won't respond to sex in the world dramatically like they might do in the middle east or central africa; I went to a strip club not long ago and if I were a 14 year old boy who had barely watched porn before I would have gone pretty crazy out of "horniness" (sorry this is simply an anecdote I don't mean to be sick) but when I went at my age after roughly 6 years of watching porn frequently, I didn't really have a reaction to these strippers at all, that's the thing about porn - if you watch a lot of it, it means that in society, sex becomes a little meaningless and therefore it doesn't enter the forefront of your daily life like it might to a rapist (e.g. I didn't end up raping that stripper lol)
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Original post by TheLoveDoctor
it did sort of sound a lot like you were saying "porn is bad for society because it will lead to rape" - what else were you saying other than that? and in terms of the evolution of our (western) civilisation, the rights of women has gone through the roof whereas porn has also dramatically increased in production, so I don't think at all that one causes the other to decrease. a free society will allow men to respond to their innate desires (looking at naked women or women engaging in sex), while women will be allowed to respond to their own desires (perhaps watching men or something else sexual) and it doesn't mean that women (or men) will be objectified for being in porn, and the other factor is that women consent to being in it while getting a lot of money. if you think about the society we have today compared with those countries in the world that ban or severely limit porn, do you consider our society better or worse for women? the fact that porn exists in a free society simply means, at least to me, that some women enjoy being in porn and therefore participate in it for the rewards e.g. money and sexual gratification (and to some extent you might also say that porn may empower women because they can "control" men though sex etc but that's a bit beyond what I'm saying here). porn, to sum up, simply allows us to, instead of having sex or even raping to achieve our sexual desires, get them ourselves and not harm or affect other people while fulfilling them. if it is likely to decrease stress and worry as well then I consider it a good thing in society. more importantly than reducing stress I seriously consider porn to, as your statistics would reflect, be a factor perhaps to decrease sexual assaults towards women (and perhaps also men) because instead of venting these sexual feelings unto others, they can be kept at bay through porn and people won't respond to sex in the world dramatically like they might do in the middle east or central africa; I went to a strip club not long ago and if I were a 14 year old boy who had barely watched porn before I would have gone pretty crazy out of "horniness" (sorry this is simply an anecdote I don't mean to be sick) but when I went at my age after roughly 6 years of watching porn frequently, I didn't really have a reaction to these strippers at all, that's the thing about porn - if you watch a lot of it, it means that in society, sex becomes a little meaningless and therefore it doesn't enter the forefront of your daily life like it might to a rapist (e.g. I didn't end up raping that stripper lol)


I disagree on many of the points you have made here.

Firstly, you said 'a free society will allow men to respond to their innate desires' if part of that desire is to look at one of your family members naked even if they don't wish to be seen, do you count that as a right for men?
I'm sure you will say no here, so a free society for men doesn't mean they should be allowed to execute all their sexual desires.

Secondly, you said 'other factor is that women consent to being in it while getting a lot of money.' this is morally and socially wrong. Women consent to prostitution because they need the money, is prostitution a good thing?

I find it hard to believe that any of the women porn-stars will be doing that job for anything other than the need for money. However, if you say 'No, because they enjoy having sex with numerous men' well they could have a decent job (maybe as a teacher) and do that themselves without a camera in front of them ruining their own lives and the lives of their children.

Thirdly, you said 'do you consider our society better or worse for women?' I'm Persian so I come from the middle-east and I have been to many Arab countries and visited the US too. I'm not sure if you have been to these countries in the Middle-east or Africa which you speak of. Outside of the effects of propaganda I must tell you that you are wrong. In middle-eastern country (in my opinion) their is much more respect for the status of women than in Europe or at least in the UK (because I have been to many European countries). However, women have less social power (which is different to respect and status in society). So to answer that question, our (UK) society is better in terms of the power women have and worse in terms of respect for women.

Then you went on to say ' women enjoy being in porn and therefore participate in it' I have already replied to this in the fact that because they participate in it it doesn't mean they enjoy it. Do all prostitutes enjoy their job or is it the need for money and food?

You then said porn 'a factor perhaps to decrease sexual assaults towards women' As I said in my earlier post, rape is decreasing but couldn't that be because police and security are much better than before? Let me give you an example. In 2005-06 Afghan immigrants in Iran raped many Iranian girls in the city of Mashhad. It became a national problem. The Iranian government decided to hang all those captured (not all the rapist were caught) in public.
About, 10 Afghan rapists were hanged in public and rape decreased by over 70% now (Note: Porn is banned in Iran)

Also, you said 'people won't respond to sex in the world dramatically like they might do in the middle east or central africa' - lol, can you please explain this omg lol, please speak with some proof.

Here, you said 'I would have gone pretty crazy out of "horniness" ' - Look I seriously understand what you are saying here, but could we say that everyone who had not watched porn and went to a strip club would have gone crazy out of "horniness"? :colone:

You did make some good points there though! :smile:
Original post by Quantex
1. David Cameron is going to ban porn? Are you sure?

2. Are you really concerned about the employees of this er... babesstation and the impact that any legislation of the porn industry will have on the macroeconomic situation in this country? Or are you just afraid you'll lose your favourite site to spank off to?


LOL!
Reply 48
What about the Multiplier Effect?

Ban on Porn - Man Can't Get Off - Sexually Frustrated - Sexual Crime Rates Go Up - More Costs on Policing - Less Income for Gov - More into deficit.

Another Multiplier Effect :wink:

Ban on Porn - Demand for Porn goes down - Girls lose their jobs - High Unemployment - More Benefit Payments - Less Government Money received from tax + loss of corporation tax gains.

What is the intention of banning porn in the first place? To make people less insecure?

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Either way I don't think this ban will do us that much good.....anyone who would want to watch it could easily do it using a proxy....
Reply 49
Original post by Kutta
What about the Multiplier Effect?

Ban on Porn - Man Can't Get Off - Sexually Frustrated - Sexual Crime Rates Go Up - More Costs on Policing - Less Income for Gov - More into deficit.

Another Multiplier Effect :wink:

Ban on Porn - Demand for Porn goes down - Girls lose their jobs - High Unemployment - More Benefit Payments - Less Government Money received from tax + loss of corporation tax gains.

What is the intention of banning porn in the first place? To make people less insecure?

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Either way I don't think this ban will do us that much good.....anyone who would want to watch it could easily do it using a proxy....


There is absolutely no proof for this "Ban on Porn - Man Can't Get Off - Sexually Frustrated - Sexual Crime Rates Go Up"
Reply 50
Original post by locrian37
so no more babesstation?? no more porn = no more porn industry for britain and all actors become prostitutes and will therefore lead to more decay in britain society because very difficult to tax prostitution.


Yeah because so many people are in the porn industry...

it's a chitty industry that needs to be taken out of the UK before kids start raping each other because they all watch porn...

oh wait a second, kids already are raping each other because of porn
Reply 51
Original post by ThePersian
There is absolutely no proof for this "Ban on Porn - Man Can't Get Off - Sexually Frustrated - Sexual Crime Rates Go Up"






Reply 52
Original post by Kutta









That was a very funny joke indeed. funny.jpg
Reply 53
Original post by Umadbro?
Yeah because so many people are in the porn industry...

it's a chitty industry that needs to be taken out of the UK before kids start raping each other because they all watch porn...

oh wait a second, kids already are raping each other because of porn


you forgot /sarcasm
Reply 54
Original post by ThePersian
That was a very funny joke indeed. funny.jpg


either way if david cameron goes through with this plan, I pledge to rape as many women as I can just to spite him (sorry ladies but it's not my fault, david cameron is instigating this not me). if I don't get my porn I turn into a sexual hulk and my clothes rip off on account to my penis ripping through the fabric of my trousers

don't worry "dave", I'm just doing my bit for the big society
I'll take my porn to the effing grave with me
(edited 10 years ago)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25400009

BT has activated it's government mandated porn filter for new customers.


How long do you give this pointless nod to prudish regressive attitudes to sex and hands off negligent parenting?
Reply 57
That's nothing! Wait till you here about the politicians who want the workhouses to come back.
Original post by Martyn*
That's nothing! Wait till you here about the politicians who want the workhouses to come back.


Except this one is actually going to happen...
Original post by Martyn*
That's nothing! Wait till you here about the politicians who want the workhouses to come back.


That Workfare scheme of Ian Duncan Smith's was closer than comfortable now you mention it...

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