The 19 year old pedophile who has never gone near a child- Interesting podcast
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Original post by Musie Suzie
I hold quite a progressive view on paedophilia anyway. I hope he's able to overcome this!
What do you mean by 'progressive view'?
Original post by Theflyingbarney
However, after decades and centuries of these restrictions being in place, paedophilia has become demonised to the extent that the terms for 'a person who has sexual attraction to prepubescent children' and 'a person who sexually abuses prepubescent children' have become the same. .
However, after decades and centuries of these restrictions being in place, paedophilia has become demonised to the extent that the terms for 'a person who has sexual attraction to prepubescent children' and 'a person who sexually abuses prepubescent children' have become the same. .
Tbh it's got so bad now a 22 yr old guy with a 15 yr old girl is pretty much branded a paedo/sex offender. I get it's easier for the tabloids to label everything "PEDOS!" but no matter what the age, if the other person is a teenager, then the older one is not a paedophile. It may be a little dodgy and I'm not saying a 14 yr old girl with a 30 yr old guy is particularly appropriate, but it doesn't make him a paedophile and he's a totally different league than an actual paedophile, i.e. pre-pubescent children.
Original post by alis-volatpropriis
How is it illogical to say that homosexuality and pedophilia are different? Homosexuality does not involve having feelings for children, the other one does. Even if you ignore the topic of consent. They are still very different.
Homosexuals may not have control over their feelings, but they can morally and legally release them
How is it illogical to say that homosexuality and pedophilia are different? Homosexuality does not involve having feelings for children, the other one does. Even if you ignore the topic of consent. They are still very different.
Homosexuals may not have control over their feelings, but they can morally and legally release them
How? I thought the entire basis for both the immorality and illegality of active paedophilia was that children are unable to consent.
Original post by TurboCretin
How? I thought the entire basis for both the immorality and illegality of active paedophilia was that children are unable to consent.
Its not just about consent, it can also cause psychological harm and damage. I said that because other people were saying homosexuality and pedophilia were the same. Claiming that homosexuality was once illegal and saying pedophilia is what homosexuality used to be. Which isn't true in my opinion.
Homosexuality is different because whatever homosexuals do to each other doesn't cause any psychological harm.
Original post by King Leonidas
What do you mean by 'progressive view'?
I mean that I don't consider all paedophiles evil by proxy - I don't believe it's a choice to find children sexually attractive (as some other people I've encountered seem to think) and I think that paedophiles who wish to overcome their desires should be helped, not vilified. Of course those who act on their desires are a different story, but there (in my opinion) should still be a degree of helping them rather than just punishing them (but then that should be true of all criminals really - rehabilitation so as not to reoffend).
I've thought for a long time that there are those who are attracted to children and hate themselves for it, and must feel so alone because it must be such a difficult thing to confess to anyone, even a health professional, and my confessing it they're confirming it, whereas maybe they'd have preferred to be the only one who knew and try to deny it. Just awful.
Original post by Gjaykay
You can think or feel anything you want - no one in creation can say otherwise. Acting on it, harming children is horrible. Good on the guy if he's trying to get help, more pedophiles should.
Wrong he has admitted to looking at child porn this is criminal behaviour which is contributing to the vile child porn industry.
Original post by alis-volatpropriis
Its not just about consent, it can also cause psychological harm and damage. I said that because other people were saying homosexuality and pedophilia were the same. Claiming that homosexuality was once illegal and saying pedophilia is what homosexuality used to be. Which isn't true in my opinion.
Homosexuality is different because whatever homosexuals do to each other doesn't cause any psychological harm.
Homosexuality is different because whatever homosexuals do to each other doesn't cause any psychological harm.
Okay fair enough, I would agree that paedophilia will never be acceptable in the way that homosexuality is now. As you say, it causes harm and children cannot consent.
That said, I'm not sure anybody is arguing that paedophilia is comparable to homosexuality, are they? I think the parallels people are drawing are just to illustrate that something being illegal doesn't make it wrong.
It's hard to understand that these sort of people exist.
Original post by karmacrunch
He knows that paedophilla is wrong which is good. You can't just sit there and feel bad for yourself- he needs help or reach out to people to help him. Or he could tell himself whenever he is out that what is feeling is wrong and he should rise above it.
hahahaha, amazing grasp of the human psyche.
Original post by karmacrunch
All sexual feelings for a child are wrong, whether you like it or not. I didn't watch the video because I don't really want to but i think that paedophilla is a mental illness. If this guy really wants to change he should get therapy or just pick himself up before he gets into trouble.
What a load of rubbish. No thoughts or feelings are wrong, especially when it's something like sexual attraction which is completely beyond your control.
Original post by Plantagenet Crown
What a load of rubbish. No thoughts or feelings are wrong, especially when it's something like sexual attraction which is completely beyond your control.
Well it is "wrong" in the way that we should try and help him not to be attracted to children.
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Original post by the mezzil
Well it is "wrong" in the way that we should try and help him not to be attracted to children.
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Well no because attraction is involuntary, it can't just be switched on and off.
Original post by the mezzil
Well it is "wrong" in the way that we should try and help him not to be attracted to children.
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The attraction itself is not wrong per se. However acting upon it is. We should try to help them not act on their desires or control them.
Original post by TurboCretin
Okay fair enough, I would agree that paedophilia will never be acceptable in the way that homosexuality is now. As you say, it causes harm and children cannot consent.
That said, I'm not sure anybody is arguing that paedophilia is comparable to homosexuality, are they? I think the parallels people are drawing are just to illustrate that something being illegal doesn't make it wrong.
That said, I'm not sure anybody is arguing that paedophilia is comparable to homosexuality, are they? I think the parallels people are drawing are just to illustrate that something being illegal doesn't make it wrong.
Its an extreme and insulting parallel to make. Homosexuality was illegal because people were just using religious reasons to claim it as immoral and therefore illegal. Whereas there is psychological proof that pedophilia has a damaging impact on children.
Comparing the two, just doesn't sit right with me.
Original post by Plantagenet Crown
Well no because attraction is involuntary, it can't just be switched on and off.
No, but it can be controlled yes? It should not be encouraged yes?
Original post by RandZul'Zorander
The attraction itself is not wrong per se. However acting upon it is. We should try to help them not act on their desires or control them.
Which is what I am trying to say.
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Original post by the mezzil
No, but it can be controlled yes? It should not be encouraged yes?
No, the choice to act on your desires can be controlled, but the attraction itself cannot.
You can't encourage or discourage an attraction, it will still be there no matter what you try to do. However, the act of abusing children can and is discouraged.
Original post by Plantagenet Crown
No, the choice to act on your desires can be controlled, but the attraction itself cannot.
You can't encourage or discourage an attraction, it will still be there no matter what you try to do. However, the act of abusing children can and is discouraged.
You can't encourage or discourage an attraction, it will still be there no matter what you try to do. However, the act of abusing children can and is discouraged.
I see no argument here then.
Original post by the mezzil
Which is what I am trying to say.
Which is what I am trying to say.
Right...so the attraction isn't what we are attempting to control or what is wrong. Just the behavior.
Original post by the mezzil
Well it is "wrong" in the way that we should try and help him not to be attracted to children.
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Just because the norm is to be attracted to those your age, it doesn't mean it's wrong to be attracted to children
Like PC said, you can't control attraction, it just happens. There's no on off button
I think cases like this are fine, you can't help who you're attracted to after all. But the line is drawn if they act upon it
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