Original post by viddy9Information on Vietnam: After the Second World War, Vietnam was occupied by the French, who wanted to make it a colony of theirs again. The Vietnamese people, led by independent nationalist movements, such as Ho Chi Minh's (which happened to be communist), resisted this and fought the First Indochina War, and expelled the French in 1954. He also tried to unify Vietnam and give them a Constitution similar to that of the United States's.
The United States, however, tacitly supported the French, and when the French withdrew, they came in.
My opinion on American involvement in Vietnam: To understand the Vietnam War as we know it, we have to look back to 1954. Under the terms of the Geneva Conference, Vietnam was to be split into two parts: North and South, but it also stipulated that free democratic elections were to be held.
Unfortunately, the United States had other ideas: U.S. involvement started off with the subversion of the democratic process. That is, in light of what the U.S. State Department called the “unpleasant fact that Communist Ho Chi Minh is the strongest and perhaps the ablest figure in Indochina” and the fact that Ho Chi Minh had established himself as a “symbol of nationalism and the struggle for freedom to the overwhelming majority of the population”, the U.S. installed a brutal authoritarian regime in South Vietnam, which had killed tens of thousands of people in state terrorism and had “crushed all opposition of any kind, however anti-Communist it may [have been]… because of the massive dollar aid [it had] from across the Pacific” – its supporters were “found in North America, not in Free Vietnam”.
Therefore, my opinion clearly is that the US shouldn't have got involved. As for the U.S.'s own use of violence, from the perspective of the Vietnamese people, the United States joining in the terror inflicted upon the Vietnamese people was catastrophic.
When the military cannot sufficiently distinguish between civilians and enemies, attacks become ‘indiscriminate’ according to international humanitarian law. This was exactly the case in Vietnam. It started in the early 1960s, where, as Guenter Lewy, in an account attempting to justify the war in Vietnam, says, U.S. air operations involved “indiscriminate killing” and “took a heavy toll of essentially innocent men, women and children” – villages in “open zones” were “subjected to random bombardment by artillery and aircraft so as to drive the inhabitants… [to] the strategic hamlets”. The indiscriminate murder of civilians continued throughout the 1960s and into the 1970s; indeed, some U.S. commanders even openly welcomed civilian casualties: General William Westmoreland, head of U.S. operations in Vietnam, was famously unconcerned with civilian casualties, remarking that the aerial bombardment “does deprive the enemy of population, doesn’t it?”. Another general explained, “the best way [to conduct the war] is to blast the hell out of [the peasants’] villages “. Many of the attacks on civilian areas simply should not have taken place. Even former Secretary of Defense, Robert McNamara, in his postwar memoir, concedes that the bombings could not distinguish between combattants and neutral civilians.As a Yale University study concluded: “the available evidence strongly confirms that bombing in Vietnam was indiscriminate: it could not target individual VC supporters while sparing government supporters or the uncommitted”. Specifically, in Cambodia (the US government also conducted secret wars in Laos and Cambodia, without telling Congress), 8,238 areas which were bombed had "no target at all", while 3,580 of the bombing sites were "unknown targets". Additionally, approximately 44 percent of the 8,000 sorties flown in Cambodia struck targets outside the authorized zone. This led to a policy of falsifying the reports of missions carried out beyond the boundary. In a nutshell, the U.S. engaged in warfare that is punishable by international and customary humanitarian law.
In sum, at least 150,000 civilians were killed in the secret bombing campaigns in Laos and Cambodia, while at least 300,000 were killed in South Vietnam alone due to “military operations” according to Lewy. At the very least, hundreds of thousands of civilians were killed as a result of the illegal U.S. invasion of Vietnam and the subsequent aggression; at the very most, more than a million may have been killed. As Richard A. Falk, professor of international law at Princeton University and Special Rapporteur for the UN Human Rights Council said, “if the US government had abided by international law, the dreadful experience of the Vietnam War would not have occurred”.