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Tories make Union Leaders wear Arm Bands like Nazi Victims.

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Original post by MatureStudent36
Not quite true.

There aren't really any alternatives to using the tube in London so the trade unions understand they have a significant amount of leverage to blackmail, I mean negotiate with.


I'm agreeing with you!
Good, whip the bastards too.
Original post by Rad-Reloaded
If only the Nazis had stopped at armbands


It's offensive to make light of the Holocaust in this way.


I agree the two should not be compared, even though I disagree with the armband proposal.
Original post by i<3milkshake
There is so much more to it. Only an idiot wouldn't understand it. They also have to sit in a seat and wear clothes whilst making sure they are not hungry, thirsty or plan their toilet breaks.

This stuff is literally rocket science-that is why they get paid twice the salary of a junior doctor. They get paid it because they deserve it, not because greedy unions hold the city to ransom.

*End sacrasm. Cant' wait for the driverless trains. Also London would get the night service it badly needs.

Why don't TfL just advertise tube driver jobs to the masses? Pay them £40k and you'd get tonnes of people apply. Increase supply, remove the unions power.

I'm fairly certain its illegal to not advertise job positions externally?
Original post by billydisco
Why don't TfL just advertise tube driver jobs to the masses? Pay them £40k and you'd get tonnes of people apply. Increase supply, remove the unions power.

I'm fairly certain its illegal to not advertise job positions externally?


TFL like ripping the country off. You could advertise the job for £25,000-£30,000 per year and get loads of applicants. Bus driver is tougher and at £18,000.

It is just an exclusive club for people who like to have left wing values and bash the overpaid bankers and MP's before going home with one grand a week for just driving a vehcicle that only goes forwards, no steering involved.

It would be hilarious if it wasn't so disgusting how they strike despite getting such salaries, causing so much difficulty in the process.
Original post by billydisco
Because most left-wingers earn ****-all anyway..... so they know it will never be their tax band increased! They just like enjoying other people to pay more tax!


Clearly you've never visited blackheath....or Islington...or Moseley.

Corbyn supporters were likely to be more well off than general labour support.
Original post by i<3milkshake
TFL like ripping the country off. You could advertise the job for £25,000-£30,000 per year and get loads of applicants. Bus driver is tougher and at £18,000.

It is just an exclusive club for people who like to have left wing values and bash the overpaid bankers and MP's before going home with one grand a week for just driving a vehcicle that only goes forwards, no steering involved.

It would be hilarious if it wasn't so disgusting how they strike despite getting such salaries, causing so much difficulty in the process.


I doubt TFL management enjoy paying tube drivers lots. I doubt management are going to be part of the unions.....
Original post by redferry
Clearly you've never visited blackheath....or Islington...or Moseley.

Corbyn supporters were likely to be more well off than general labour support.


Congrats, 1,000 of the country's 400,000 hardcore socialists have money.... :wink:
And i suppose taking fingerprints is nazi is it?

stop fishing for clicks, its not relevant to the Nazis in the slightest.
Original post by billydisco
I doubt TFL management enjoy paying tube drivers lots. I doubt management are going to be part of the unions.....


If not they are bloody stupid. I mean the job requires minimal training-they could just go to a job center, heck even just put some posters on their tubes, and get many recruits for half that amount paid. Training is not too difficult-the train goes forwards and the doors sometimes open and close a little while after.
Original post by illegaltobepoor
Its not as simple as pushing a joystick forward.


True, sometimes they have to pull it back. :-)

Except they don't have to really do they? We could replace them with driver less trains.

Roll on the glorious day when that happens (which it will) and we haven't got to put up with the whining about arm bands and all their selfish strikes.
Original post by billydisco
Congrats, 1,000 of the country's 400,000 hardcore socialists have money.... :wink:


I'm sure there are plenty of other rich left wing areas!

I know a lot of very well off lefties...
Original post by i<3milkshake
Len McClusky made those comments. His political views are far left.

His salary for running Unite, funded by deductions from workers wages I believe (I may be wrong, correct me if I am), is; the same as David Cameron who runs the entire country.

Len McClusky like of those on the left is a hypocrite. Excessive salaries are wrong-unless he is earning them.


You choose to be in a union. Owners of companies make money from extracting the value created by the workers.

It;s only a hypocrite if you think everyone should be paid exactly the same. Even then... we are all compromised anyway. I don't think we should rely on sweatshop labour but I can't really avoid contributing to it unless I want to be a self sufficient hermit which I have no idea how to do anyway. People are obviously fine with unions since they join them. If I had a job I'd join a union. They are the most democratic economic entities. It;s like complaining how much doctors can get paid.
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Original post by redferry
I'm sure there are plenty of other rich left wing areas!

I know a lot of very well off lefties...


I pity you

But my point remains- the majority of hardcore socialists generally dont earn much.

And surely all these well-off socialists you mention should have re-distributed their wealth so that there are never any wealthy lefties?
Original post by i<3milkshake
A genuine left winger will be happy to see taxes go up, including noticeably in their tax band. After all, there is a big hole in the public finances right now and you can't expect just a few % to contribute-the whole of society has to. Of course the richest much more, but everyone must.
This is something I have no problem with, and possibly believe myself.

Sadly most left wingers are just as you described. At least the selfish ones in the right make no pretenses about their selfish views-the left are often just as selfish but not as successful and more dishonest about their intentions.


Don;t see why i can't be selfish. It's at the core of neoliberalism. I just exhibit my self interest in ways I;m not suppose to. i.e. tax more wealthy poeple to give me stuff. Join unions for collective bargaining power. That kind of thing.

Original post by MatureStudent36
ISTR that Len earns £160k a year and still lives in a council house.



Need to attract the best you see. Why do you adopt left wing positions of desiring equality of equality sake when it comes to organization you don't like? I doubt you would complain about the market rate for a CEO of a particular company. NO consistency at all. It's just mindless left bashing. Have you bemoaned Syriza for carry out austerity today yet?
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Original post by ChaoticButterfly
Don;t see why i can't be selfish. It's at the core of neoliberalism. I just exhibit my self interest in ways I;m not suppose to. i.e. tax more wealthy poeple to give me stuff. Join unions for collective bargaining power. That kind of thing.


So you are telling me that you being selfish is going to work?

"Oh give me your money because I want it".

"No".

"But I want it".

"I don't want to give it. And its mine. So do one".

Selfish lefties have a problem here-if you have selfish values you can't expect others to give what is theirs to you...
Original post by billydisco
I pity you

But my point remains- the majority of hardcore socialists generally dont earn much.

And surely all these well-off socialists you mention should have re-distributed their wealth so that there are never any wealthy lefties?


Hardcore socialists potentially, although Moseley is known as the red triangle.

Not really. Redistributing your own wealth, unless you're a billionaire, won't do much.

My dad does overpay his tax every year though, winds my mum up no end even though the tax office inevitably send it back in the end.
Original post by redferry
Hardcore socialists potentially, although Moseley is known as the red triangle.

Not really. Redistributing your own wealth, unless you're a billionaire, won't do much.

My dad does overpay his tax every year though, winds my mum up no end even though the tax office inevitably send it back in the end.


Lol at all this Moseley in Birmingham chat like its some socialist utopia it's just a Birmingham suburb like any other.




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Original post by paul514
Lol at all this Moseley in Birmingham chat like its some socialist utopia it's just a Birmingham suburb like any other.




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No it isn't, you obviously don't know much about the history of the area. Is absolutely packed full of left wingers and trade unionists, and has been for years. Hence the nickname 'the red triangle'. An unusually high proportion of its residents worked for social services in the 70s and 80s, which was a very left wing profession back then, one which the unions recruited a lot from.

It's similar to blackheath, where I live now. You can canvass those huge million pound houses and there's a very good chance theylle be a labour supporter. Just drive round Moseley in election time and you'll see what I mean.
Original post by billydisco
I doubt TFL management enjoy paying tube drivers lots. I doubt management are going to be part of the unions.....


I'm not so sure about that.

Ultimately facing down the tube unions will require determination and effort on the part of management (and getting up at 4AM to drive trains ad collect tickets to break any strike) and I am not sure the management are up for that. Most of the operational management have been London Transport man and boy.

It is easier to buy off the unions with other people's money.

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