Labour hold gender segregated meeting yet again in Oldham

He would get my vote.

... what?

And lose 200+ others

He would get my vote.

with Islamic Fundamentalist groups being an extremely tiny minority of Islam, less than 0.01% (with that being a very conservative figure)

But would remain faithful to his beliefs.

Doubt it.

A liberal opposing free choice of where you sit.

But would decrease his chances of becoming an MP

He is a politician remember

I voted for him anyway lol

And lose 200+ others

And Labour lost the last elections.

In Mosques men and women are separate, it was respectful to Islam and to Muslims to address the meeting in this manner. Imagine the fury and outrage from the Muslim community if Labour had insisted on not allowing them to sit this way. Instead we have a bunch of people screaming fowl for actually respecting other religions and cultures. It's almost as if we don't live in a multicultural society during a time of heightened Islamophobia due to the actions of a loud minority, with Islamic Fundamentalist groups being an extremely tiny minority of Islam, less than 0.01% (with that being a very conservative figure)

I know how I vote better than you

They can sit where they want. I'm not opposing that. I'm annoyed that some politicians are ready to tolerate that to get elected.

These are people who I don’t doubt vote UKIP, the most regressive party out there for women. They're not wound up, they're just pretending; they don't really care about women or even Muslims.

It's all just a reason to have a cynical pop at the Labour Party. To gang up on those in a weak position is in their nature. It makes them feel powerful.

What is wrong with gender segregation?

1&2) I agree anyone coming to the UK should have to obey UK laws, and I agree with freedom of speech, although freedom of speech shouldn't be used as a get out clause for hate speech or offensive content, such as depicting Mohammed which is seen as offensive in Islam, there are other ways people could criticise Islam which doesn't include using offensive images. One such way is supporting Muslims who argue within Islam for the things you think are correct.

And while I agree a lot of Islamic Countries have awful laws and awful punishments I do believe we are talking about the UK, or at least I am, so if we are on different pages perhaps now is the time to sort this out and figure out where each of us are coming from.

3) Google Islamophobia definition, this is what comes up "dislike of or prejudice against Islam or Muslims, especially as a political force", which suggests it includes hate crimes against Muslims under the bracket of Islamophobia.

4) Those polls are worrying in what they state, although I would want to look at them further to see how much so, if you recall The Sun's frontpage recently, they took a reputable polling organisation's data and twisted, and there is also no information on how many people were asked and such, and some of the polling is going back ten years. Perhaps it is the sociological part in me but I'm quite questioning of research unless I can check it out further, but I am willing to look over it all, but for the sake of replying quickly I have only managed to look through a few of the articles.

Again, I get the impression you are being intentionally dense, or you are rationalising to try and align your individual morality to a political inclination.

It's a bit like someone asking 'what's wrong with killing another human being?' without stipulating you are referring to warfare and the 'killing' of terrorists.

You cannot simply divorce gender segregation from its context and pretend it doesn't represent a value system, or misogyny, or a belief women are half the value of men.

That was your full post your horrible deceitful liar. HERE IT IS ONE MORE TIME
I am not referring to yours or later posts in response to you otherwise I WOULD HAVE QUOTED THEM WOULDNT I


So your solution to coexist is to tolerate the intolerant. Wonderful


Freedom of speech does not protect against hate speech or discrimination. The reason you think it does is because you are a child that thinks cartoons are hate speech and anything that "offends" someone ought to be classed as hate speech. I absolutely despair. You can help muslims by not supporting fascists sexist illiberal muslims.


Go and do some research on the Hijab. Just because it is arguably not oppressive for most western woman does not hide its history and meaning and that it is an extremely oppresive garment in the majority of societies this very day

1 and 2) Freedom of speech should indeed be qualified to prevent hate speech. But hate speech is a problem because it might incite prejudice or violence against certain groups. But drawing pictures of Mohammed does not incite violence against Muslims. And freedom of speech should absolutely not be qualified because of offence. Absolutely everything can offend someone, and that is something we must deal with. So to my eyes, drawing pictures of Mohammed should not be an exception to freedom of speech.

3). That definition of Islamophobia is problematic because dislike or prejudice against Islam is not inherently a bad thing. The etymology of the word islamophobia implies there is an issue which criticising Islam.

We don't need a separate word for prejudice against Muslims, that is simply hate crime. And if we do need a word, it would be a word like Muslimophobia, as awkward a word as that is.

4) Fair enough, I wouldn't expect you to scrutinise every survey's research in such a short period of time