Should all universities other than Oxbridge, LSE, and ICL be shut down?
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Original post by Cato the Elder
How is it a moronic analogy?
And no, I'm not joking. University is not just for anybody. And you are implying that in order to have an effective workforce everyone must go to university, which is nonsense. There are apprenticeships and programs which give people practical skills that can be used in the workforce. A degree in Nordic Studies is not going to get you anywhere.
And no, I'm not joking. University is not just for anybody. And you are implying that in order to have an effective workforce everyone must go to university, which is nonsense. There are apprenticeships and programs which give people practical skills that can be used in the workforce. A degree in Nordic Studies is not going to get you anywhere.
The starting salary for 'Anglo-Saxon, Norse and Celtic' Cambridge students is £22.4K. Not bad
Original post by the greatest
Exactly, which is why a large chunk of it depends how your channelize your work into something positive which can as you said make money or achieve something great.
The university itself it only a factor and not a major one which shapes your life. What you do individually is the true key to achieving success in life regardless of university or even without university.
The university itself it only a factor and not a major one which shapes your life. What you do individually is the true key to achieving success in life regardless of university or even without university.
Given that out of the last 12 Prime Ministers, 9 attended Oxford University, I would suggest that the university you attend is indeed a major factor in shaping your life.
Original post by Cato the Elder
How is it a moronic analogy?
And no, I'm not joking. University is not just for anybody. And you are implying that in order to have an effective workforce everyone must go to university, which is nonsense. There are apprenticeships and programs which give people practical skills that can be used in the workforce. A degree in Nordic Studies is not going to get you anywhere.
And no, I'm not joking. University is not just for anybody. And you are implying that in order to have an effective workforce everyone must go to university, which is nonsense. There are apprenticeships and programs which give people practical skills that can be used in the workforce. A degree in Nordic Studies is not going to get you anywhere.
University turns uneducated people into educated ones, it is not like a basketball team turning short people into tall ones. This simplification of the world into 'smart' and 'dumb' people simply makes no sense.
I am implying that the government should continue to intervene in the market for university education. This doesn't currently nor has it ever resulted in all students going to university.
The existence of one, two or any number of silly degrees (not that I'm saying Nordic Studies is one - for, as with a History or Classics degree I'm sure it provides skills useful in the jobs market) doesn't justify what you're arguing.
Original post by ubisoft
Yes. People with poor degrees don't get good jobs and are stuck with £30k debt. Over saturation of graduates is not good.
Yes? Yes what?
These simplistic statements do not counter anything I said in the post you quoted. Are you simply throwing in some factoids for my amusement?
Original post by anonwinner
Given that out of the last 12 Prime Ministers, 9 attended Oxford University, I would suggest that the university you attend is indeed a major factor in shaping your life.
Or that attending Oxford is a major factor in shaping the lives of Oxford graduates.
Before you jump the gun there are better statistics that would have backed up your point and so that was a critique of your reasoning, not your conclusion.
Original post by anonwinner
Given that out of the last 12 Prime Ministers, 9 attended Oxford University, I would suggest that the university you attend is indeed a major factor in shaping your life.
next you will saying every non public school should be shut down, as I'm sure a large chunk of them went to Eton, harrow etc.
In terms of prime ministers, if I'm being honest many haven't contributed greatly to society and arguably the greatest and the most famous Churchill didn't even go to university.
Original post by anonwinner
Manchester Met perhaps
Get real.
Original post by RayApparently
Or that attending Oxford is a major factor in shaping the lives of Oxford graduates.
Before you jump the gun there are better statistics that would have backed up your point and so that was a critique of your reasoning, not your conclusion.
Before you jump the gun there are better statistics that would have backed up your point and so that was a critique of your reasoning, not your conclusion.
My guess is either the OP is trolling purposely or has some mental disorder such as Asperger syndrome.
Original post by the greatest
next you will saying every non public school should be shut down, as I'm sure a large chunk of them went to Eton, harrow etc.
In terms of prime ministers, if I'm being honest many haven't contributed greatly to society and arguably the greatest and the most famous Churchill didn't even go to university.
In terms of prime ministers, if I'm being honest many haven't contributed greatly to society and arguably the greatest and the most famous Churchill didn't even go to university.
He went to Sandhurst which is a military university if I'm not mistaken
Original post by the greatest
My guess is either the OP is trolling purposely or has some mental disorder such as Asperger syndrome.
Why not both?
Original post by kieran12321LFC
Don't think we should close all universities apart from them because we would be left with a massive shortage of degree holders, but i do think the former polytechnics shouldn't be universities
This. The "university" im at has a cheek to call themselves a uni (University of Highlands & Islands). They are good for HN/Level 6/City&Guilds diploma's but there degree level courses are a joke and I think there resources would be much better allocated on improving there HN level teaching (we have lecturers going on college trips abroad for 2-4weeks during term time with no money for replacements).
Original post by the greatest
My guess is either the OP is trolling purposely or has some mental disorder such as Asperger syndrome.
I'm sure the OP is trolling but I fear several of the other people on this thread aren't.
Original post by anonwinner
He went to Sandhurst which is a military university if I'm not mistaken
which by your logic should be shut down then
Original post by anonwinner
He went to Sandhurst which is a military university if I'm not mistaken
Presumably you want to see Sandhurst closed down?
Original post by the greatest
My guess is either the OP is trolling purposely or has some mental disorder such as Asperger syndrome.
i dont have ass burgers
Original post by RayApparently
I'm sure the OP is trolling but I fear several of the other people on this thread aren't.
yes most likely, it is worrying.
Original post by RayApparently
Presumably you want to see Sandhurst closed down?
No, I think some specialist institutions such as Sandhurst and London Met deserve to stay open.
Original post by ubisoft
i dont have ass burgers
Original post by anonwinner
No, I think some specialist institutions such as Sandhurst and London Met deserve to stay open.
You want London Met to stay open... but Warwick, UCL, St Andrews, SOAS, Manchester, Durham, Exeter etc. etc. etc. to close?
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What?
Original post by anonwinner
Only the elite universities deserve to survive, should the rest be shut down?
This question is, quite frankly, a tad bizarre. Of course for the most competitive jobs it helps enormously to have gone to an excellent uni', but that narrow element alone shouldn't displace the fact that having a full range of HE providers in the sector makes for a more diverse and buoyant HE landscape in the UK. Of course, for the most academic subjects there are definitely some uni's that are better than others, and all of us know which uni's these are, but there are a whole range of very good universities doing really terrific research and offering excellent standards of teaching. The very best universities already enjoy the lion's share of resources and are able to recruit some of the very best students; not to mention the fact that under the Government's new fee regimen it's likely to be the more elite universities that will be able to increase their fees above the current £9k level in line with inflation. I feel that this is quite enough of an advantage over the rest of the sector. I'm increasingly of the view that this narrow focus on a small handful of uni's right at the top serves to obfuscate more meaningful and pressing issues in the sector.
Original post by RayApparently
You want London Met to stay open... but Warwick, UCL, St Andrews, SOAS, Manchester, Durham, Exeter etc. etc. etc. to close?
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What?
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What?
Correct. You're very good at reading.
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