Cameron completely slaughters Corbyn in Commons
EU matters are being debate in the house this afternoon, and clueless Corbyn is being completely slaughtered by Cameron. The Prime Minister looks calm, assured and in control. Corbyn looks worn out, dimwitted and angry.
parliamentlive.tv/event/index/33cea1f7-7854-4d26-b333-d8f3e470e2e6?in=15:51:15
It's pathetic that Corbyn has embarked on this joke of a reshuffle. After weeks of his Stalinist spin doctor Shameless Milne briefing around to the press that Benn would be sacked (and Corbynites hysterically shrieking that no reshuffle was in the works and these were right-wing lies), the reshuffle comes and Corbyn is so weak he bottles it.
He probably brought Benn in with the intention of sacking him, made a complete fist of it and persuaded himself not to. It's deeply painful to me, as a socialist, to see my beloved party brought low by this terrorist-sympathising, homophobe-enabling, fascist-befriending lunatic.
How long is this reshuffle going to last? Reshuffles are supposed to be worked out behind closed doors then announced in one fell sweep. Thanks to the characteristic incompetence and cack-handedness of Corbyn and the morons he has working for him, it's turned into a complete polava; a three-day movable feast where even the leader's office has no idea what is going on.
Thankfully, Corbyn is a weak man and he will probably resign soon after buckling under the mental pressure. That day can't come soon enough
parliamentlive.tv/event/index/33cea1f7-7854-4d26-b333-d8f3e470e2e6?in=15:51:15
It's pathetic that Corbyn has embarked on this joke of a reshuffle. After weeks of his Stalinist spin doctor Shameless Milne briefing around to the press that Benn would be sacked (and Corbynites hysterically shrieking that no reshuffle was in the works and these were right-wing lies), the reshuffle comes and Corbyn is so weak he bottles it.
He probably brought Benn in with the intention of sacking him, made a complete fist of it and persuaded himself not to. It's deeply painful to me, as a socialist, to see my beloved party brought low by this terrorist-sympathising, homophobe-enabling, fascist-befriending lunatic.
How long is this reshuffle going to last? Reshuffles are supposed to be worked out behind closed doors then announced in one fell sweep. Thanks to the characteristic incompetence and cack-handedness of Corbyn and the morons he has working for him, it's turned into a complete polava; a three-day movable feast where even the leader's office has no idea what is going on.
Thankfully, Corbyn is a weak man and he will probably resign soon after buckling under the mental pressure. That day can't come soon enough
(edited 8 years ago)
That link doesn't work. Try this (to anyone interested) http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcparliament
Original post by Joy19
That link doesn't work. Try this (to anyone interested) http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcparliament
Link fixed, I wanted to link to the precise time where the PM starts ramming Corncob.
Those who want to see it, highlight the entire link (including the odd looking imagey thing) and paste it into your address bar
Corbyn is a decent man, who I share a lot of political views with outside of foreign policy, but I just don't think he is right for the leadership. He ran not to win, but to give a voice to the left of the party. That he has undoubtedly accomplished. He has never desired power or sought it during his time in parliament, and has no experience with front bench level leadership. He is a maverick and a rebel, admirable traits for an MP, but not for leader of the party.
What makes this situation much harder is that Corbyn is an extremely popular leader amongst Labour members and supporters. However opinion is split on him in the PLP, and in what is an open secret even amongst the shadow cabinet. Although he is engaging more younger people in getting involved in politics, I don't see Labour as having effectively opposed the government since his leadership, and nor has he gained more support amongst the wider electorate. The poll levels are shocking at the moment, whereas Labour had regained a lead around this time after the last general election. Of course polls aren't the be all or end all but it is the best estimation we have of how well the party is doing.
Labour needs to do a lot to win the next election. It needs clear leadership, to lead the debate and set the topics of conversation but also to appeal to a larger segment of the population. Unfortunately I just don't see this happening. And that means that the millions who depend on Labour for better policy and legislation to help them get on in life simply won't get that help. The last thing I want to see is a split in the party or a coup, which even further solidify the Tories grasp on this country. But as the next general election comes closer I think that Jeremy, the cabinet, the PLP and all party members need to decide which is more important; winning or principle. There is no point in winning if you don't believe in anything, but likewise nor is their any point in believing in something without a chance of being able to carry it out and change the country for the better. Labour needs a better party mechanism and more expansive, engaging policy, but built on the foundation of what Jeremy and all his supporters believe in, i.e. democratic socialism.
This is the year that will make or break Corbyn. If Labour can hold strong and gain in Wales, London, Scotland and English local elections, as well as play a decisive role in the EU referendum, then I think most of his detractors will fall into line. That is a big ask though.
What makes this situation much harder is that Corbyn is an extremely popular leader amongst Labour members and supporters. However opinion is split on him in the PLP, and in what is an open secret even amongst the shadow cabinet. Although he is engaging more younger people in getting involved in politics, I don't see Labour as having effectively opposed the government since his leadership, and nor has he gained more support amongst the wider electorate. The poll levels are shocking at the moment, whereas Labour had regained a lead around this time after the last general election. Of course polls aren't the be all or end all but it is the best estimation we have of how well the party is doing.
Labour needs to do a lot to win the next election. It needs clear leadership, to lead the debate and set the topics of conversation but also to appeal to a larger segment of the population. Unfortunately I just don't see this happening. And that means that the millions who depend on Labour for better policy and legislation to help them get on in life simply won't get that help. The last thing I want to see is a split in the party or a coup, which even further solidify the Tories grasp on this country. But as the next general election comes closer I think that Jeremy, the cabinet, the PLP and all party members need to decide which is more important; winning or principle. There is no point in winning if you don't believe in anything, but likewise nor is their any point in believing in something without a chance of being able to carry it out and change the country for the better. Labour needs a better party mechanism and more expansive, engaging policy, but built on the foundation of what Jeremy and all his supporters believe in, i.e. democratic socialism.
This is the year that will make or break Corbyn. If Labour can hold strong and gain in Wales, London, Scotland and English local elections, as well as play a decisive role in the EU referendum, then I think most of his detractors will fall into line. That is a big ask though.
I voted Labour in May, I will not be doing so again if Jeremy is in power. He is quite simply a buffoon. An honest man, but a complete buffoon.
His problem is that he's spent far too much time complaining and whinging, and little time actually helping out in running things and actually doing things - as a parliamentarian or a member of government.
And then he gets annoyed when other people change places with him and decide to complain about his leadership and his decision, when he has spent his entire career doing exactly that.
His problem is that he's spent far too much time complaining and whinging, and little time actually helping out in running things and actually doing things - as a parliamentarian or a member of government.
And then he gets annoyed when other people change places with him and decide to complain about his leadership and his decision, when he has spent his entire career doing exactly that.
(edited 8 years ago)
Cameron gave his ministers a free vote on the EU Referendum. Is he not strong enough, not man enough to whip his party into line like he did with Syria?
The irony is that no matter what the Labour Party does from here on in, the Conservative Party will implode after the EU Referendum, more so if the outcome is Britain votes to stay in.
That will cost them the 2020 election. All Labour have to do, in the meantime, is just band together and if they do that, then they will be part of the next Government.
History will show that Cameron sacrificed the Conservative Party in his pursuit for just 5 more years of power.
The irony is that no matter what the Labour Party does from here on in, the Conservative Party will implode after the EU Referendum, more so if the outcome is Britain votes to stay in.
That will cost them the 2020 election. All Labour have to do, in the meantime, is just band together and if they do that, then they will be part of the next Government.
History will show that Cameron sacrificed the Conservative Party in his pursuit for just 5 more years of power.
Original post by woIfie
EU matters are being debate in the house this afternoon, and clueless Corbyn is being completely slaughtered by Cameron. The Prime Minister looks calm, assured and in control. Corbyn looks worn out, dimwitted and angry.
parliamentlive.tv/event/index/33cea1f7-7854-4d26-b333-d8f3e470e2e6?in=15:51:15
It's pathetic that Corbyn has embarked on this joke of a reshuffle. After weeks of his Stalinist spin doctor Shameless Milne briefing around to the press that Benn would be sacked (and Corbynites hysterically shrieking that no reshuffle was in the works and these were right-wing lies), the reshuffle comes and Corbyn is so weak he bottles it.
He probably brought Benn in with the intention of sacking him, made a complete fist of it and persuaded himself not to. It's deeply painful to me, as a socialist, to see my beloved party brought low by this terrorist-sympathising, homophobe-enabling, fascist-befriending lunatic.
How long is this reshuffle going to last? Reshuffles are supposed to be worked out behind closed doors then announced in one fell sweep. Thanks to the characteristic incompetence and cack-handedness of Corbyn and the morons he has working for him, it's turned into a complete polava; a three-day movable feast where even the leader's office has no idea what is going on.
Thankfully, Corbyn is a weak man and he will probably resign soon after buckling under the mental pressure. That day can't come soon enough
parliamentlive.tv/event/index/33cea1f7-7854-4d26-b333-d8f3e470e2e6?in=15:51:15
It's pathetic that Corbyn has embarked on this joke of a reshuffle. After weeks of his Stalinist spin doctor Shameless Milne briefing around to the press that Benn would be sacked (and Corbynites hysterically shrieking that no reshuffle was in the works and these were right-wing lies), the reshuffle comes and Corbyn is so weak he bottles it.
He probably brought Benn in with the intention of sacking him, made a complete fist of it and persuaded himself not to. It's deeply painful to me, as a socialist, to see my beloved party brought low by this terrorist-sympathising, homophobe-enabling, fascist-befriending lunatic.
How long is this reshuffle going to last? Reshuffles are supposed to be worked out behind closed doors then announced in one fell sweep. Thanks to the characteristic incompetence and cack-handedness of Corbyn and the morons he has working for him, it's turned into a complete polava; a three-day movable feast where even the leader's office has no idea what is going on.
Thankfully, Corbyn is a weak man and he will probably resign soon after buckling under the mental pressure. That day can't come soon enough
You seem to be gleeful when the leader of your party falters. You reserve more venom for the leader of your own party than you do for the Conservatives. The term Red Tory may be overused, but it would be very apt in your case
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