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Graduation?
Hello!
Just 2 questions I'd like to ask...
I've chosen to do a 2 year foundation degree at college and then go to university for 1 year afterwards to do a 'top-up degree'. If I do this, will I still have a graduation ceremony?
Secondly, the course I will be doing for 2 years at college is the "Foundation Degree in Forensic Science". Afterwards, I will be going to university for 1 year to do "the final year of the BSc (Hons) in Forensic Science" (as quoted from the prospectus). Once I've finished, what degree title will I have? Will it be BSc Forensic Science, BSc (Hons) Forensic Science??
Just 2 questions I'd like to ask...
I've chosen to do a 2 year foundation degree at college and then go to university for 1 year afterwards to do a 'top-up degree'. If I do this, will I still have a graduation ceremony?
Secondly, the course I will be doing for 2 years at college is the "Foundation Degree in Forensic Science". Afterwards, I will be going to university for 1 year to do "the final year of the BSc (Hons) in Forensic Science" (as quoted from the prospectus). Once I've finished, what degree title will I have? Will it be BSc Forensic Science, BSc (Hons) Forensic Science??
JaneNorman
Hello!
Just 2 questions I'd like to ask...
I've chosen to do a 2 year foundation degree at college and then go to university for 1 year afterwards to do a 'top-up degree'. If I do this, will I still have a graduation ceremony?
Secondly, the course I will be doing for 2 years at college is the "Foundation Degree in Forensic Science". Afterwards, I will be going to university for 1 year to do "the final year of the BSc (Hons) in Forensic Science" (as quoted from the prospectus). Once I've finished, what degree title will I have? Will it be BSc Forensic Science, BSc (Hons) Forensic Science??
Just 2 questions I'd like to ask...
I've chosen to do a 2 year foundation degree at college and then go to university for 1 year afterwards to do a 'top-up degree'. If I do this, will I still have a graduation ceremony?
Secondly, the course I will be doing for 2 years at college is the "Foundation Degree in Forensic Science". Afterwards, I will be going to university for 1 year to do "the final year of the BSc (Hons) in Forensic Science" (as quoted from the prospectus). Once I've finished, what degree title will I have? Will it be BSc Forensic Science, BSc (Hons) Forensic Science??
So how does that work then? What exactly is the 'foundation' degree? Is that not run by a uni? I just cant understand why you'd go to college for 2 years, then go to a uni for 1 year to do the final year of a degree programme with the rest of the other students?? Surely the other students would be more advanced??
Ive never heard of anything like that before.
whats the difference between BSc and BSc hons??
The "hons" part indicates that you have passed with a particular degree classification (grade). Somebody with a BSc (Hons) will have a first class, upper second class, lower second class or third class honours.
Without the "hons" part, a BSc isn't worth an aweful lot to employers because it indicates that your overall grades were so low that they couldn't grade you (sort of...).
Getting a third class honours is easy, so it's rare to see people without honours.
Without the "hons" part, a BSc isn't worth an aweful lot to employers because it indicates that your overall grades were so low that they couldn't grade you (sort of...).
Getting a third class honours is easy, so it's rare to see people without honours.
thisbemadness
So how does that work then? What exactly is the 'foundation' degree? Is that not run by a uni? I just cant understand why you'd go to college for 2 years, then go to a uni for 1 year to do the final year of a degree programme with the rest of the other students?? Surely the other students would be more advanced??
Ive never heard of anything like that before.
Ive never heard of anything like that before.
A Foundation Degree isn't a full degree, but in order to make it a full degree, you have to do a 'top-up degree' which is usually 1 year at a given university.
And yes, foundation degrees are run by the university and are awarded by the university too. Your basically doing a degree, but your doing it at a college instead of a university. It works out much cheaper tbh.
The Boosh
The "hons" part indicates that you have passed with a particular degree classification (grade). Somebody with a BSc (Hons) will have a first class, upper second class, lower second class or third class honours.
Without the "hons" part, a BSc isn't worth an aweful lot to employers because it indicates that your overall grades were so low that they couldn't grade you (sort of...).
Getting a third class honours is easy, so it's rare to see people without honours.
Without the "hons" part, a BSc isn't worth an aweful lot to employers because it indicates that your overall grades were so low that they couldn't grade you (sort of...).
Getting a third class honours is easy, so it's rare to see people without honours.
There is one exception. 1 standard full time year at any university is viewed as 120 CATS points (or 'credits') so a degree is made up of 360 credits (3 yrs at 120/yr) respectively. Someone who has done only 300 credits technically has a degree without honours - even if all those credits are at a 1st/2.1 standard. Someone could drop out halfway through their third year (or only sit 1/2 the exams) and graduate with a degree that isnt entirely worthless although it would certainly look like that. They would need to complete the remaining 60 points to get 'honours.'
I think as well that at some universities if you sit all 360 points yet fail (dont get 40% or above) you can leave with a degree without honours provided you got over 30%. (Edit: Which is what you said, therefore nevermind)
But yeah, its overwhelmingly true that a BSc isnt as good as BSc (Hons)
In the past the route was HND (Higher National Diploma)-->Bachelors degree, but for some reason the name (and structure!?) has been changed. You could also study a Bachelors degree for one year and come out with a certificate but I don't know if that's the case anymore.
I think every so often the minister for education has a mad one and takes as many cheap drugs s/he can find leading to random "reforms" in higher education. In addition, randoms try and boost the value of a qualification by changing titles to confuse people.
Examples:
An apprenticeship is now a modern apprenticeship (or M.A. - same initals as the postgraduate degree Masters of Arts)
School leavers can study for a diploma (which used to be a university qualification i.e. HND)
Foundation "degrees" have replaced the HND.
At postgrad level, a new "professional doctorate" has emerged which is often part taught, part assignment-based, part work experience and involve a dramatically cut back "thesis". So much for the trusty PhD leading to Dr. X.
I think every so often the minister for education has a mad one and takes as many cheap drugs s/he can find leading to random "reforms" in higher education. In addition, randoms try and boost the value of a qualification by changing titles to confuse people.
Examples:
An apprenticeship is now a modern apprenticeship (or M.A. - same initals as the postgraduate degree Masters of Arts)
School leavers can study for a diploma (which used to be a university qualification i.e. HND)
Foundation "degrees" have replaced the HND.
At postgrad level, a new "professional doctorate" has emerged which is often part taught, part assignment-based, part work experience and involve a dramatically cut back "thesis". So much for the trusty PhD leading to Dr. X.
Perfection
There is one exception. 1 standard full time year at any university is viewed as 120 CATS points (or 'credits') so a degree is made up of 360 credits (3 yrs at 120/yr) respectively. Someone who has done only 300 credits technically has a degree without honours - even if all those credits are at a 1st/2.1 standard. Someone could drop out halfway through their third year (or only sit 1/2 the exams) and graduate with a degree that isnt entirely worthless although it would certainly look like that. They would need to complete the remaining 60 points to get 'honours.'
I think as well that at some universities if you sit all 360 points yet fail (dont get 40% or above) you can leave with a degree without honours provided you got over 30%. (Edit: Which is what you said, therefore nevermind)
But yeah, its overwhelmingly true that a BSc isnt as good as BSc (Hons)
I think as well that at some universities if you sit all 360 points yet fail (dont get 40% or above) you can leave with a degree without honours provided you got over 30%. (Edit: Which is what you said, therefore nevermind)
But yeah, its overwhelmingly true that a BSc isnt as good as BSc (Hons)
Cool. Thanks for this
. I suspected something like this lurked in the background but couldn't be assed to google it before I posted!When I said "worthless" I did mean in relation to job application where "a good honours" is required. The same for masters applications.
The Scottish 4 years system offers something different too I think. You can leave after 3 years and come out with a degree of sorts (I'm sure somebody knowing more than me can clarify this!).
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